[00:00:05] Speaker A: Hi everyone. Welcome to Spill the Tea, the podcast that just wants you to hear us out. We bring awareness about topics in pop culture, history, literature, music and life, the universe and everything. As far as we're concerned. We research different topics and share with our listeners what we discover. I'm Brigitte.
[00:00:22] Speaker B: And I'm Laura.
[00:00:23] Speaker A: And today's topic is the wrap up of the 2024 Democratic Party platform, or at least the Harris Walls.
[00:00:31] Speaker B: I say the Harris Walls portion of it. We're not doing the whole platform because, my God, we both read through it and got stuck partway through because it's so flipping dense. Which is an awesome thing because it should be a policy statement, should be dense, but damn, it's not terribly readable.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: So stick around for the information. Coupled with a healthy dose of snarfasm, our lovely combination of snark and sarcasm, and just hear us out. So last time we left off at what was it?
[00:00:59] Speaker B: Affordable childcare and long term care. And so this is less. This is less at this point about child care is moving and looking at the long term care because as we've seen, a huge portion of our population is aging. I mean, we're aging, obviously, but we're not to retirement yet. A huge portion of our population, like not the majority anymore, but a significant portion is past retirement age and getting even older. And elderly care is a thing.
[00:01:30] Speaker A: Oh yeah, very much so.
[00:01:32] Speaker B: And it is a necessary thing. One of the things that isn't included in their paragraph here is I appreciate ensuring care workers get paid living wage, treated with dignity and respect. I, I still maintain that because of the significant percentage of elderly that is climbing daily that will need more care.
[00:01:58] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:01:58] Speaker B: That we need more care facilities for them, not just in home care, which is what they're trying to push in. Home care is great, but it's not necessarily a good idea for every elderly or for even a lot of elderly.
[00:02:16] Speaker A: While it is a great idea to have seniors stay in their homes as long as they possibly can. When my mom owned her house and then sold her house and moved into the senior unit at her apartment complex, the difference in her was night and day, because in the senior complex she was a lot more vibrant, she was a lot more active, she hung out with people and she went places with people and things like that. But when she was living in her home, she was sitting around her house getting old.
[00:02:53] Speaker B: And here's something, they need that community. Well, and here's something else though to consider is I'm talking even more interactive than that. The home Care is great for the medical. Here's the problem. The home care doesn't take care of cleaning the house.
[00:03:10] Speaker A: Some does, some does. Mom had some that were okay.
[00:03:15] Speaker B: Because the ones I've heard of are almost entirely home health care, which is strictly health care, which doesn't take care of cleaning the house, doesn't take care of making sure the expired groceries are in the trash, doesn't make sure that the food that's molding in the fridge actually gets thrown away instead of getting put back in the fridge. You know, all of these other aspects to elderly living that doesn't say every elderly. So please, if you're older, don't yell at us about this. I'm not suggesting anybody that's our listeners falls into this category. I'm suggesting things like my mom, that house should be condemned. That's reality. My mom is a hoarder. Okay? Part of it, My mom has cattery part of it, my mom has massive physical disabilities that make it so that she cannot. And mental challenges. I don't mean, I mean emotional mental challenges that make it so that she doesn't clean up things as well as they need to be. And yeah, no care is going to take care of that. That is above and beyond the healthcare aspect, the health care aspect, physical limitations that let her not pick up heavy things and need the physical health.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: There are home health services that do provide that kind of care.
[00:04:33] Speaker B: How much more do they cost?
[00:04:34] Speaker A: That I don't know. They are covered by Medicare and Medicaid.
[00:04:38] Speaker B: But that means she has to want it, use it, and she's all about not having them in the home.
[00:04:43] Speaker A: That's the problem right there is you have to let them in the home. A big problem we had with the ones that were with mom. They will do what you tell them to do. You have to tell them to do.
[00:04:54] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:04:55] Speaker A: And the struggle we were having with moms was mom would tell them to do this little chore and this little chore and then take her shopping and.
[00:05:04] Speaker B: Miss all the other chores that needed.
[00:05:05] Speaker A: Done and not do the chores that needed to be done. Not get rid of the butt, not get rid of the bad food, not clean out the pantry, not clean the bathroom. I mean it was terrible. She was not having them do so many things that absolutely needed to be done.
[00:05:19] Speaker B: Right. And this is why I say more inclusive elderly care centers. Kind of like my father in law was in where he voluntarily chose to go to this retirement home. And for the longest time he was living independently in an apartment. He had his own kitchenette everything. Granted he was, he was a super cleanly guy to begin with. Everything had to be in its place. So I get that. But when the nurses came in. But housekeeping would come in on the regular to make sure everything stayed clean in case something was missing.
You know, he had regular housekeeping come in. And then as they noticed some deterioration and problems with him not taking his meds, they have recently moved him into the higher care wing so that someone is making sure he takes his meds on the regular. They have moved him into a more interactive care space that they can have someone checking up on him medically and make sure he's taking all of his medicines and everything. And this is what I would like to see more of for elderly communities. We need to see more of this, comprehend that you don't have to pay because he's paying. He's paying a lot for it.
[00:06:31] Speaker A: Yeah. No, but he's paying three or four thousand dollars a month for it probably.
[00:06:34] Speaker B: And this is what I say we need for more elderly, more range more.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: We need more facilities that are, that.
[00:06:43] Speaker B: Can cater to all of our elders.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: That are government subsidized so they can cater to our lower income.
[00:06:49] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:06:49] Speaker A: Because my mom lived in Section 8 housing.
[00:06:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:53] Speaker A: My mom's house was mouse infested.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:06:55] Speaker A: That's what my mother was living in. But having the community of people was good for her.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: Oh absolutely.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: Because it gave her the opportunity to be social.
[00:07:05] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:07:06] Speaker A: When she was living in her home, she was literally living in her house and growing old because she didn't have enough interaction. Having those communities is good for seniors. Yes, it's good for anybody. It's good for anybody. We are social people. We like having our own space to go back to. But we need community living.
[00:07:25] Speaker B: And that was something with my father in law again was after his wife died. This is a common thing that happens in the elderly communities, in the elderly demographic is if the husband dies first, the wife will live a really long time. If the wife dies first, the husband doesn't usually live a really long time. My father in law has proven to be the exception. I don't know if it's because he moved into the community and he started making friends and I could see the change in him. And I'm not that terribly close to him because he's a very standoffish personality. He's a very, very private.
[00:08:00] Speaker A: He's a very private person.
[00:08:01] Speaker B: He's a very private person. But he started telling the stories, he started sharing with me stories from when he was a kid during Jim Crow in Chicago. But that didn't start until after he moved into the senior home and started socializing with people his own age. And that was awesome.
[00:08:18] Speaker A: Exactly. It makes a huge difference.
[00:08:21] Speaker B: I absolutely love that they want to invest in long term care, but I would like to see a slightly different direction in the long term care because they want to invest in. In home care. And that's awesome.
[00:08:34] Speaker A: We need it and we desperately need it. But we also need. We got to have that facility care. And not just facility, but literally that community care.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: Yes. Since we are talking about senior care and medical, that there's more than just the physical medical, as you all know. That's why you see a holistic doctor.
[00:08:54] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:08:55] Speaker B: And that is going to be really interesting because I'm wondering Medicare is going to work with that because they're. That Harris is claiming strengthening Social Security and Medicare for the long haul by making, I don't know, all the people who haven't been paying their fair share. Pay their fair share.
[00:09:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Because we're now moving into the medical section. Yep. And the health care section of Harris Walls plan.
[00:09:17] Speaker B: Yep. And the thing is, how many of the millionaires and billionaires are actually collecting Social Security? Going to collect Social Security? They're all going to be eligible.
[00:09:26] Speaker A: I don't know if they do.
[00:09:27] Speaker B: They're all going to be eligible if they paid into it.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: Actually, I think you collect it regardless.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: Exactly. And yet how many of them are actually paying into it their fair share?
[00:09:40] Speaker A: Oh, not even close.
[00:09:41] Speaker B: So that it's a sustainable program that the rest of us who've paid our money into it can actually get our money back out.
[00:09:47] Speaker A: I want to say it's like 260 or 265 or something like that.
[00:09:52] Speaker B: Because here's the thing, it's not solvent right now. Oh, no, it will not last. We will not. We will have paid into it our entire working lives and not see a penny out of it by the time we retire. If it continues the path it's on. That was the last numbers that I was seeing when I was.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: I can't spell. Oh, wow. It is lower than I thought. 168,000.
You do not get cap. You don't pay over.
[00:10:22] Speaker B: Now here's the thing. You said 14 years, right. I have 14 years before I now. What's the calendar year 14 years from now? 2024. 2038. Right. Social Security's combined trust fund is projected to run out in 2035.
[00:10:36] Speaker A: Mm.
[00:10:37] Speaker B: So all the money that we have paid into it our entire Working career. We're not going to get our money back because certain parties within the government have. At the. Within the federal government have seen fit to spend our money where it didn't belong and to borrow it out without paying it back. Republicans, I'm looking at you. Yeah, I'm pissed about this.
[00:10:59] Speaker A: Even though it's supposed to be a separate section that nobody touches because it's.
[00:11:04] Speaker B: Not your fucking money.
[00:11:05] Speaker A: But they did anyway.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: But they did it anyway.
[00:11:07] Speaker A: And then trying to convince people that they didn't. Of course most Gen Xers are not going to get to retire anyway.
[00:11:12] Speaker B: You and I talked about that on.
[00:11:13] Speaker A: Bonus content and here's the thing.
[00:11:15] Speaker B: There are three trust funds that. There's only one of the three trust funds that's adequately financed into the future. There's oasdi, which if it runs out, Social Security will only be able to pay 83% of the scheduled benefits. The hospital insurance fund, which runs out in 2036 depletion. And if it runs out, they'll only be able to pay 89% of scheduled benefits because hospital stays are so cheap and so unlikely to happen when you're old. Right, right. And supplemental medical insurance, because that's not funded by Social Security, is adequately financed far into the future till an unknown date.
[00:11:54] Speaker A: Lovely.
[00:11:55] Speaker B: So the stuff that you have to pay into to actually access that's still around. And that particular fund's main financing sources are automatically adjusted each year to cover the costs. So.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah, so. So she wants to.
[00:12:10] Speaker B: She wants to tax the wealthy to actually fucking pay for it.
[00:12:14] Speaker A: The policy statement they have on their issues page is.
[00:12:18] Speaker B: Oh, I was down below that one.
[00:12:19] Speaker A: Because you're down below that one because.
[00:12:21] Speaker B: That was protect and strengthen Social Security. Medicare was where I was at.
[00:12:24] Speaker A: Oh, we're at Medicare. I'm on the wrong spot.
[00:12:26] Speaker B: Yep. And that's that. She'll make millionaires. And billionaires pay their fair share in taxes. Period.
[00:12:30] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:12:31] Speaker B: Stop.
[00:12:32] Speaker A: If I have to pay 15% of my income into Social Security tax. And by the way, you do pay 15%. It's just if you work for a corporate employer, if you're self employed, you pay the full 15%. It's like 15.4 or 6 or something like that. You pay the full percentage. If you are employed by someone, you pay half. Your employer pays half.
[00:12:56] Speaker B: Better yet, the Urban Institute has shared as of July 19, 2024, article that if the trust funds are depleted, Social Security won't be able to pay all benefits. If this happens, it will be a financial crisis because poverty in Older adults is insane. It will become insane because you can't.
[00:13:16] Speaker A: Afford your medical, you can't afford your medical, you can't afford housing. You. I mean, and so many people who are like, well, but why don't you have a 401k? Why don't I have a 401k? Because I don't have a corporate job. Well, don't you have IRAs? Not anymore. I've had to live off them for the last year and a half.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: And better yet, this, this is absolutely interesting that federal law actually prohibits Social Security from paying benefits that exceed its available funds, which means even if the trust fund runs out, the program will continue collecting more than $1.6 trillion each year in payroll tax contributions from workers and income taxes on Social Security benefits.
However, the trustees project that Social Security would only be able to pay out 83% of scheduled benefits and that share would eventually shrink to 73%.
Yeah. Having been. Having had a relatively recent run in with medical in the form of just extreme medical moment. It was 14 years ago, but it was still extreme medical moment. The costs even at 73%. Holy Horrible. Holy fuck. I mean I was only in aftercare for three days. I mean they got me out immediately as massive quick turnaround.
[00:14:37] Speaker A: How did they get you out that fast after that bad of birth?
[00:14:41] Speaker B: Because this was, this was, this was the youngest. This was the C section with the youngest. This was. He. He was dry uterus and I was blood in the abdomen and dying myself. So yeah, I don't know. But yeah, it was. I was in recovery with a tube down my throat for a day and then they moved me. I was apparently doing well enough. They moved me into the room and then I was apparently doing well enough in the room that the next day they sent me home with a whole crap ton of stitches and a whole lot of staples and a whole ton of explanation to the husband on how to take care of me at home to deal with the actual staples and any potential issues.
[00:15:19] Speaker A: Okay. Any background noise you hear is probably going to be the cat. She's back.
[00:15:22] Speaker B: Yep. Armascats. Yep, Back in the group chat. So, yeah, it's.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: And that was 14 years ago and.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: It was gone and costs have gone up and this was with an employer program, so most of it was paid. We didn't pay much of anything for that. The thing is, I still looked at the bills to see how much.
[00:15:43] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:15:44] Speaker B: The explanation of benefits sheets to see how much was getting paid. It was astronomical.
[00:15:50] Speaker A: Oh, I'm not surprised.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: I mean we are talking $30,000 for three days. That's $10,000 a day.
[00:15:57] Speaker A: That's it.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: No, that was. That was just for me. That wasn't for him. Who was in that. That wasn't for youngest who was in NICU for another week.
[00:16:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Because he was in NICU for two weeks. Yeah.
[00:16:10] Speaker A: Because he was not born in the best of environments.
[00:16:12] Speaker B: No.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: Or situations.
[00:16:14] Speaker B: Situations. Yeah. So income will fall most among people with lower incomes. If Social Security trust fund is depleted, the bottom quintile would have an 18% income loss. The second to bottom quintile is looking at almost 20% and then a 14%, a 10% and the top. Oh, they'll only suffer a 5% loss.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: Only a 5%, but still.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Because that makes sense. The people who can afford the least are going to have to pay the most.
[00:16:48] Speaker A: Oh, absolutely. And we don't have enough government housing to handle capacity now.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Right, I know.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: And they're really not building much of any.
[00:16:59] Speaker B: They're building really fancy condos for very wealthy.
[00:17:03] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: Up and comers. And now, see, here's the thing. Because of the disreputable, disproportionate impact on people with low income rates, the number collecting Social Security who live in poverty would surge if the trust fund runs out. According to the Urban Institute's projection, which the Urban Institute, while having a liberal leaning, I will freely admit it is still really good with their data collection and they're really good with their data models.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:17:26] Speaker B: So according to their projections, and an additional 3.8 million people age 62 and older or collecting Social Security disability would experience poverty in 2045, an increase of 55%.
Wow, that's a crap ton of people suddenly getting dumped into the level that is defined as poverty, which as we've talked about with where things with cost of living haven't gone up, the definition of poverty is. You couldn't even be. The definition of poverty is so low of income as to be barely alive.
[00:18:03] Speaker A: Did you say 2045?
[00:18:05] Speaker B: By 2045, do you realize who that is? Us.
[00:18:08] Speaker A: Us.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:18:09] Speaker A: And starting to be millennials.
[00:18:11] Speaker B: I know, because the boomers don't. Anyway, never mind. And people of color would be hit particularly hard. Poverty rates would increase 6 percentage points for black and Hispanic people, black and Hispanic older people and those collecting disability, but it would increase by only 3 percentage points for their white counterparts.
[00:18:28] Speaker A: I mean, that tracks for this country.
[00:18:30] Speaker B: So I'm going to actually link this article into our sources too, so you.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: Can add it to the podcast.
[00:18:35] Speaker B: So we can add it to the podcast notes for people, because this is important information to understand about where we're at.
[00:18:42] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:18:43] Speaker B: And why this is actually such a major deal that they are wanting to directly address the Social Security problem. It's been a problem for a long time. They've been talking about this for a long time.
[00:18:54] Speaker A: Oh, they've been talking about this since we were in the 30s.
[00:18:57] Speaker B: They've been talking about privatizing it to fix all problems. Because that was going to be a good idea. Right? I know, right. Thank God they did not succeed with that one.
[00:19:05] Speaker A: I understand where it's coming from, but can we please just all finally admit that privatizing any government function is just a terrible fucking idea? Can we please all just agree to this? I mean, I know it's not going to happen, but can.
[00:19:21] Speaker B: Yeah, we're not going to all agree to it, but yeah, I.
[00:19:24] Speaker A: Studies have shown over and over again, we've watched it happen in real time.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: That would be because. I don't know. Privatizing it puts it as part of the twisted American version of capitalism, which, as I have recently come to understand, is actually a twisted version of capitalism.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: Twisted version of capitalism, yes, I've heard.
[00:19:42] Speaker B: And this. This twisted. Putting it into this twisted version of capitalism means that all. Everything has to make a profit. If you privatize it, it has to make a profit. If it does not make a profit, it is no longer solvent. It is no longer solvent. Means the company goes bankrupt and everybody's out everything. Privatizing in our version of capitalism is a really bad idea for anything that's supposed to be taking care of anybody.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: Exactly. Anything.
[00:20:11] Speaker B: Oh, like our healthcare, anyway. Yeah, well, I know that's a whole nother. That's a whole nother issue. I know.
[00:20:19] Speaker A: Although we're about to get into it.
[00:20:20] Speaker B: We're about to get somewhat into it, and we really don't want to go off the rails on it because honestly, that was all on our list for something else entirely anyways.
[00:20:29] Speaker A: True.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: But because of this nastiness, I appreciate too, that the Harris Wells campaign wants to bring down the cost of health care, because as one of the wealthiest countries in the world, we are also burdened, as people that live in it, with some of the highest costs of health care anywhere with the least delivery for our dollar. If it were a foreign exchange rate, we would understand that the dollar was meaningless, to be honest.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: Exactly. I am on Marketplace insurance and my premium is almost as high as the horrible insurance you have available through a lot of temp companies like Kelly And Texas and you know, all of those. And they offer insurance. Oh, 30 years ago they didn't.
[00:21:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:26] Speaker A: Now they do. It is wretched. Oh, it's terrible. And it's stupid expensive.
[00:21:33] Speaker B: And this would be why I don't register with any of the temp agencies to try and find a job either. Because I have to take it if they offer it.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: Exactly. And.
[00:21:41] Speaker B: And then I have to pay out the nose for it. And gee, I don't fancy. I, I don't. To pull an archaic term, I don't fancy paying somebody to be able to work for the privilege of working for them. Sorry.
[00:21:51] Speaker A: Precisely. And it just is a huge amount of money. Now, mind you, my marketplace insurance is just a tiny bit cheaper, like less than a hundred dollars cheaper. However, it's significantly better insurance than what I had. But even that is absolutely ridiculous. We should not have to. We should not have to pay that much money for an insurance premium and then still have to pay that much money on top for healthcare. No, it's insane.
[00:22:25] Speaker B: No argument. And then you have people with chronic conditions on top of it like us that, you know, we're now over a barrel because we don't have a choice but to pay the costs. Because otherwise, I don't know, Death is sort of a solution, I guess.
[00:22:41] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:41] Speaker B: What kills me is what people. Is what we were talking about with the Republican policy statement and the fact that people don't realize embedded in there is the repeal Affordable Care Act. Well, okay. They've come out with more information on that. And part of what they really want to get rid of is the mandatory requirement to cover pre existing conditions.
[00:23:01] Speaker A: Yeah. And the mandatory requirement to cover pre existing conditions is the saving grace for so many people in this country.
[00:23:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:12] Speaker A: It is the reason why I can have health insurance despite the fact that I don't work for a company.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: Right.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: Prior to the Affordable Care act, and a lot of people don't know this, prior to the Affordable Care act, if you had multiple health issues, you could not qualify for private health insurance.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:32] Speaker A: They had to take you if you were group employer insurance, so long as you had had no lapse in coverage.
[00:23:40] Speaker B: That's where COBRA came into play.
[00:23:41] Speaker A: And that was where COBRA came into play. And that's also where catastrophic insurance came into play. The really bad thing about catastrophic insurance back then, I don't know about now back then was if you ever used it, you would not qualify for insurance again. Even group employer insurance.
[00:23:59] Speaker B: Ouch. Now, I do understand, at least having looked through the material on our group insurance Our group employer insurance that we only have certain amount of lifetime catastrophic available. In other words, we get into. Heaven forbid. Please. Thank you. A collision of some sort, and then. And it uses up our catastrophic insurance. Well, let's just hope that nothing major ever happens again because we've just used our lifetime benefit of it.
[00:24:29] Speaker A: Cancer. That's all it takes.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: Seriously, I know so many people who have maxed out their lifetime maximum just from a bout of cancer. I know. I know some people who had maxed it out before they even turned 18 because they had cancer as children. Their lifetime maximum is maxed out before they're even old enough to vote.
[00:24:52] Speaker B: Well, what Harris wants to do is to make affordable health care a right, not a privilege.
[00:24:56] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:24:57] Speaker B: Yay, Please and thank you.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: Yes, please.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: By expanding and strengthening Affordable Care act, which, again, this is not something that the President would be able to do.
[00:25:06] Speaker A: That requires Congress.
[00:25:08] Speaker B: This requires Congress. However, the President can try and wheel and deal and push and try and get Congress to work along with her for it. She wants to make the Biden Harris tax credit enhancements, which are lowering health care premiums by an average about 800 a year for millions of Americans. She wants to make those permanent.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: That did happen, too. Mine went down. Cool. From the first year I had it to the second year I had it, it went down. Didn't go down much. Maybe 20, 25 bucks a month, but.
[00:25:38] Speaker B: Still, that's 25 bucks a month. Exactly. Times 12 months is $300 a year.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: So they want to build. She wants to build on the administration's success and bringing down the cost of prescription drugs. Let's see, maybe by, I don't know, being willing to trade with partners like Canada to get drugs that are more affordable because Big Pharma.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: Because. And just as effective.
[00:26:03] Speaker B: And just as effective because pharmaceuticals in America are way overpriced. Looking at you, Lily, I love the.
[00:26:10] Speaker A: Fact that she got that $35. They got that $35 cap on Instagram.
[00:26:14] Speaker B: I know.
[00:26:15] Speaker A: Now let's get that $2,000 cap on out of pocket spending for seniors. We've absolutely got to get it to everyone else.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:26:22] Speaker A: Especially with the insulin. Especially since so many younger people are developing diabetes. Oh, it's all the way down into children at this point.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: Point.
[00:26:32] Speaker A: Type two.
[00:26:33] Speaker B: Yay.
[00:26:34] Speaker A: Yeah. And I'm not kidding you, the love of God, please, please, please make the EpiPen cheaper.
[00:26:41] Speaker B: No kidding. Because so many people need that to survive.
[00:26:44] Speaker A: We have still got to get that cost down. Because if you need to use an EpiPen you have a very short window in which to use it.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: Yep. And you better have it on hand and it better be up to date.
[00:26:59] Speaker A: Exactly. And they are so expensive.
[00:27:03] Speaker B: See, that's one I don't know. Because our insurance covers it.
[00:27:07] Speaker A: It was 60 or $65 for mine when I had it refilled recently, and that was through my insurance, and I think it was considered it was either a tier 1B or a tier 2. So they cover some of it, but they don't cover all of it. And it was still like 60, $65. Again, I have pretty good insurance.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah. EpiPen can go quote for as low as $145.81. Yeah, $145.81. And that's GoodRx. And that's as low as. That means that's a cheap price for $145.81.
[00:27:44] Speaker A: I had actually put in a spreadsheet. My medications.
[00:27:48] Speaker B: Yeah. The average total price for. Or the average retail price for an EpiPen is $346.38 for the most common version.
That's insane. That's fucking nuts. Oh. You get a bee sting and you're gonna die from it. And I hope you have your 400, $350 EpiPen on hand, because otherwise you're fucked. Jeez Louise.
[00:28:13] Speaker A: I was looking on GoodRx. Three places that I would be considering going to. Costco, Target, and Kroger. Okay. An EpiPen that's usually a two pack was $330.66 at Costco, $145.31 at Target, and $253.98 at Kroger.
[00:28:33] Speaker B: Mental note, even if I'm having an allergic reaction, unless I'm absolutely dying, do not touch me with an EpiPen. I am hyper. I'm not. I qualify as allergic to epinephrine, not to epinephrine. I. Never mind. I'm thinking ephedrine. Never mind.
[00:28:48] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. No, they're not the same thing. Yeah.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: No, they're not.
[00:28:50] Speaker A: No, they're not the same.
[00:28:51] Speaker B: Never mind. They're not. I'm.
[00:28:53] Speaker A: Ephedrine. Ephedrine is an asthma medication.
[00:28:57] Speaker B: You see, it doesn't matter if I'm.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: It's also.
[00:29:00] Speaker B: It's also for when your blood pressure tanks and they give you.
[00:29:04] Speaker A: Yeah, they can. Because it will raise your blood pressure. Yes, it does. I had a work colleague that I had worked with about 10 years ago, very recently die from multiple bee stings just sitting on his porch. He got stung two or three times and he was dead in like 15 minutes.
[00:29:22] Speaker B: Oh, my gosh.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: They didn't even have time to find an EpiPen.
[00:29:25] Speaker B: And at anywhere. And at up to $350 for a two pack.
[00:29:30] Speaker A: And I remember when the. I remember when the price was at like $1,000 or something like that a few years ago.
[00:29:39] Speaker B: Oh, you mean the price for my.
[00:29:41] Speaker A: This was about 10 years ago when that douchebag who owns the company that.
[00:29:47] Speaker B: That made diabetes or that.
[00:29:49] Speaker A: That makes the. That makes the. That makes the actual injector bumped the price up to where it was like a thousand dollars.
[00:29:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:56] Speaker A: And.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: And then got in trouble for it.
[00:29:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:29:59] Speaker B: Which was lovely.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: I was so glad around my living room.
[00:30:02] Speaker B: So glad when you got in trouble.
[00:30:03] Speaker A: The day I found out about that. It danced around my living room. But no. And I heard so many people who were like, well, you don't need an EpiPen. You can get epinephrine in the bottle and you could just use a hypodermic needle. And I'm like, you don't understand how you have to do this.
[00:30:19] Speaker B: No.
[00:30:19] Speaker A: You have to measure out the right amount, make sure there are no air bubbles. You have to make sure you get a spot where you're not going to hit a vein, because you have to do this intramuscularly or you will cause the person's heart to explode. And you can't do that while you're having an allergic. You can't do that while you're having an anaphylactic reaction. You can't think that clearly.
[00:30:42] Speaker B: If you develop. If you're using your own EpiPen. Yeah.
[00:30:44] Speaker A: There is a reason why the EpiPen is literally pop the cap, slam it into your. Slam it into your thigh and hit the button. It's that simple for a reason. Because if you are having. I write a food allergy blog. I know a lot about anaphylaxis.
I also have a myriad of food allergies, but thankfully none of them are anaphylactic. But I've learned. Oh, my God. So much while researching. If you're having an anaphylactic reaction, you cannot think clearly. No brain shuts off.
[00:31:12] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:31:12] Speaker A: It's no different because you're trying to breathe.
[00:31:15] Speaker B: And it's. No. Not really any different than an extreme insulin attack.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:31:20] Speaker B: Extreme insulin reaction or an extreme near sugar coma from too much sugar sequence. Both of those will shut your brain down, too.
[00:31:27] Speaker A: A hypo or hyper. Hyper. An asthma attack will do the same thing. Your brain does not work properly. And if you have to go through the number of steps that you'd have to with a bottle of epinephrine and a hypodermic needle, you will be dead before you can even get it into your thigh.
[00:31:43] Speaker B: I'm sorry. I had to do home injections for a long time for my ms, which meant I had the little bottle of powder and I had the little bottle of liquid. So I had to go through mixing the two and then I had to go through injecting and getting rid of the air. This was a 15 minute process just to make sure it was done right. So there were no air bubbles. So that I didn't accidentally. And that was just for a subcutaneous. That was just for under the skin. That wasn't for an intramuscular.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:32:11] Speaker B: So no, yeah, yeah. Seriously, the no air bubbles thing is a thing people. Because guess what? Air bubbles travel and air bubbles get in your bloodstream where they don't belong and then they kill you.
[00:32:19] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:32:20] Speaker B: Even I know that much.
[00:32:22] Speaker A: And you don't have that kind of time.
[00:32:25] Speaker B: If you don't have reaction, you're having a free. You're having a shock response at the time, same time you're having a panic response. There is nothing. Your body is flooded with so many bodily chemicals in addition to what's killing you.
[00:32:40] Speaker A: So yes, when it comes to an EpiPen, that is vital.
[00:32:43] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:32:44] Speaker A: And by God, that is a hill I will die on.
[00:32:47] Speaker B: And the worst part is, haven't they brought down the cost even in Indiana, the cost on the antifentanyl, the drug to treat an overdose. Yeah.
[00:32:57] Speaker A: Isn't it Narcan?
[00:32:59] Speaker B: Narcan, I think, I think Narcan sounds right. But haven't they brought down the cost of that substantially for the immediate injection of that and yet we can't do this for EpiPen.
[00:33:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, right.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: I'm having a few issues at the moment with this pro. With this prioritization.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: Exactly. It's. It's just proof positive that late stage capitalism is terrible for healthcare.
[00:33:26] Speaker B: So honestly, it isn't even late stage capitalism. It's for profit. Healthcare has always been a bad idea.
[00:33:33] Speaker A: Always, always. It was a terrible idea from the minute they allowed. The minute Nixon allowed the Kaiser foundation to get involved was the beginning of the end.
[00:33:43] Speaker B: See, I don't know any about the history timeline for NBA that was like the 70s. I know when Nixon. I know when Nixon was or late 60s familiar with any of the policy.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: She is also. But Harris is also planning she actually was the tie breaking vote on the inflation reduction Act.
[00:34:00] Speaker B: Yes, she was.
[00:34:01] Speaker A: Which allowed Medicare, which really pissed off.
[00:34:03] Speaker B: A lot of Republicans. But too bad, suck it up.
[00:34:06] Speaker A: Well, it allowed them to finally. It allowed Medicare to finally renegotiate drug prices with Big Pharma.
[00:34:11] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:34:11] Speaker A: Which was desperately needed.
[00:34:13] Speaker B: Yep. And the bonus, and this is something as president she can do because this goes to the international interaction. She will negotiate to cover more drug and low, more drugs and lower prices for Americans because it is part of her duty negotiating with foreign countries. Because that is part of the President's duties.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: That is true. That is true.
[00:34:39] Speaker B: So she could theoretically start negotiating with Canada to have in Europe.
I'm familiar with what's happening in the medical industry in Canada because Canada is the one that's finally able to treat Ms. And it's nothing that'll happen in America because it involves stem cells. The medication that actually can treat Ms. And successfully make it better involves stem cells.
[00:35:07] Speaker A: Yes, absolutely. And what so many people don't understand about stem.
[00:35:11] Speaker B: They're never going to grow into an actual anything.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: It doesn't necessarily have to be fetal stem cell.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: As of about 10 years ago, I think it was federal government made absolutely certain that you can't do anything. Stem cells, new research in America, period, end of discussion. And that you can't do anything more with any stem cells that are not already out there as part of the couple of branches that they have already had in research.
[00:35:33] Speaker A: And that is so frustrating. You can literally harvest hemp stem cells from a living, breathing human being and not a fetus. You can do this.
[00:35:43] Speaker B: But again, it's the grade schooler's understanding of how medicine works. But she wants to cover more drugs, she wants to lower prices, she wants.
[00:35:51] Speaker A: To remove medical debt from credit reports.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: I know, that would be fabulous.
[00:35:56] Speaker A: And also, and she's helped cancel $7 billion of medical debt for three million people. Okay, look at those numbers. $7 billion of medical debt for 3 million people.
[00:36:10] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:36:10] Speaker A: Damn, that's a lot of money.
[00:36:11] Speaker B: That's a crap ton of money for just a percentage of. Okay, granted, that's pretty much 3 million is about the population of the whole damn state. If we take Gary out.
[00:36:24] Speaker A: Oh yeah, just about.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: Okay, yeah. So yeah, that's, that's pretty damn close to the percentage to the population of the whole damn state. So a lot of people of Indiana. Oh, if we take Gary out, I gotta take Gary Hammond out because they're part of Chicago.
[00:36:39] Speaker A: I don't think Gary Hammond would appreciate that. But you're not 100% wrong.
[00:36:43] Speaker B: Too bad. I've been to Hammond recently. They're part of Chicago. Okay. If I can drive and the city doesn't end, then it's a suburb of Chicago. Chicago, last I looked. Now this has been a while, but Chicago, last I looked was. Population around 6 million, I think so. So half the Popul. Half the population of one major US city had $7 billion in debt.
[00:37:09] Speaker A: In medical debt.
[00:37:10] Speaker B: In medical debt alone.
[00:37:11] Speaker A: Although as president, she wants to. She wants to work with states to cancel medical debt for more Americans.
[00:37:18] Speaker B: I know states that will work with her and I know states that won't. We live in one that won't, probably. Oh, no. As long as Rokita is in charge, it won't. Did not happen.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: No, good point. I wish we would vote him out.
[00:37:29] Speaker B: And if Braun gets in charge, it.
[00:37:30] Speaker A: Really ain't going to happen. Oh, please, gods, no. I'm absolutely voting for Jennifer McCormick because there's no way I want Braun anywhere near the governor's office.
[00:37:42] Speaker B: I don't want Braun anywhere near the state. But unfortunately, he's a resident. Not much I can do about that.
[00:37:48] Speaker A: Fair.
[00:37:49] Speaker B: There's not a whole crap ton I can do about it.
[00:37:51] Speaker A: It's kind of like one of our senators.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: Yes, he was. It's kind of like Ohio. Can't get rid of J.D. vance. We can't get rid of. Can't get rid of Mike Pence or Mike. What is it with Mike? Mike Pence. Mike Braun. Come on. I don't know.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: I don't know. Although Pence has been pretty quiet.
[00:38:05] Speaker B: Gee, I wonder why. Maybe because he said he would not support Trump for president and all the Hoosier maggots decided to rise up.
[00:38:13] Speaker A: Well, you know, considering the fact that they threatened to hang him on January 6. Fixed. I don't blame him.
[00:38:20] Speaker B: And they showed up protesting at his house afterwards. So, yeah, I don't blame him.
[00:38:26] Speaker A: I don't blame him.
[00:38:27] Speaker B: The bonus to Harris has done a great job. She has been huge on women's health care. That has been her activity as veep.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:38:37] Speaker B: And she has led this current administration's efforts to combat maternal.
[00:38:42] Speaker A: Maternal mortality.
[00:38:43] Speaker B: Mortality. Get the extra T in there. It's not morality, it's mortality. Get the extra T. Makes all the difference. But here's the thing people also don't realize, and this was before Roe fell. This has been the case for a long time. We are one of. We are one of, if not the richest country in the world. We have the highest women's mortality death rate. Well, of course that's what mortality is. We have the highest women's mortality rate. Women dying from childbirth is obscenely high.
[00:39:18] Speaker A: It is.
[00:39:19] Speaker B: And that's been that way before Roe fell. I can't, as we're seeing in the news cycles, it's not getting better now that Roe, of course, it's getting worse. And it's just like we. Women are dying at higher rates. And part of it, I think, I mean, the cynical side of me says part of it is intentional. Republicans are scared of women.
[00:39:43] Speaker A: Oh, yes.
[00:39:44] Speaker B: They're terrified as fuck of women.
[00:39:46] Speaker A: Well, I have heard the saying, men who are afraid of women having power are afraid that women will treat them the way they treat women.
[00:39:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:56] Speaker A: And that's pretty true for a large portion of what I've seen come out of the Republican Party.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:03] Speaker A: They treat women terribly and they're afraid of women getting into power because they don't want to be treated the same.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: There's also a significant factor, I think, in there that they're terrified of what they don't understand. And since they can't give birth and they don't. They don't understand how this happens. They're afraid of it.
[00:40:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:40:21] Speaker B: And women can. And women don't necessarily understand, but women can. It's a power they can't have unless they own it.
[00:40:29] Speaker A: And it's not just a. They don't understand. They can understand from a biological view. Okay. They could be taught.
[00:40:35] Speaker B: Most of them even don't.
[00:40:36] Speaker A: They can be taught the biology of it, sure. Absolutely. But they don't understand the physical process.
[00:40:44] Speaker B: And demands that it makes on the.
[00:40:45] Speaker A: Body, et cetera, exactly what the development is doing inside the body, what it's doing inside the host's body, what it's doing to the host's body. And yes, at host, not mother, because.
[00:40:56] Speaker B: That'S a fair way of stating it. I will go on record as saying up to viability, it is a parasite.
[00:41:04] Speaker A: Biologically.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: Biologically. Scientifically, it's a parasite up until viability.
[00:41:09] Speaker A: Once it's out, it can be an absolutely adorable little parasite, but it just.
[00:41:17] Speaker B: Leeches a whole different system off of you. It doesn't leach blood and nutrients anymore. It just leeches money.
[00:41:24] Speaker A: I mean, you're not alone.
But yeah, I mean, it's taking sustenance and nutrients from the host's body, not giving anything in return. That is a parasitic relationship.
[00:41:41] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:41:42] Speaker A: And no, I don't think parasite is a bad thing. I think is where I'm trying to go with this. Fair. Because a lot of People hear parasitic relationship, it's a parasite. And they automatically go, parasites are bad because they kill things which. Okay, to some degree, yeah, maybe that's true. And just remember that every person who says it's a parasite was once that parasite as well.
[00:42:06] Speaker B: Exactly, exactly. Yup.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: And I know because there's so much negative connotation to the concept of parasite. I get it. But that's not what we're meaning. No, we are saying that is the type of relationship that's going on here is until there's a viability, it can't.
[00:42:24] Speaker B: Survive without a host. Period. End.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: Exactly. At that point when you have to deal with a medical issue, do you save the parasite or do you save the host?
[00:42:37] Speaker B: It doesn't matter that the parasite, because while it is still in the fetal stage is likely to come out and if it manages to even take a breath, might take five breaths and die. Yeah, because that's been happening too.
[00:42:55] Speaker A: That has been happening. Now to be fair, that has had been happening before anyway.
[00:42:59] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[00:43:00] Speaker A: But that was always the parents choice.
[00:43:02] Speaker B: Exactly.
[00:43:03] Speaker A: To end that viability in utero or to go ahead and give birth and have the opportunity to put the child in palliative care or neonatal hospice.
[00:43:15] Speaker B: Hospice.
[00:43:16] Speaker A: So that they can have some time to hold the baby, let them know they're loved and say goodbye.
[00:43:22] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:43:23] Speaker A: Because it's not going to survive. It's not going to survive.
[00:43:29] Speaker B: Always between the patient and the doctor and insurance companies and politicians did not belong there.
[00:43:37] Speaker A: No, they don't.
[00:43:38] Speaker B: And they still don't.
[00:43:39] Speaker A: Especially since in those situations, in every single one of those situations, you are not talking about an unwanted pregnancy. Nope. You were talking about a nursery where the walls are painted, the crib is set up, all the diapers are.
[00:43:59] Speaker B: Might even have a name.
[00:44:01] Speaker A: They potentially have a name. All the stuffies are in the crib, all the clothes are in the dressers. You're talking about a child who is wanted.
[00:44:13] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:44:13] Speaker A: And they're not going to get to have that.
[00:44:17] Speaker B: Nope.
[00:44:18] Speaker A: Because at the buzzer something went wrong. And that something isn't necessarily something we can control. If cord wraps around the throat and suffocates.
[00:44:31] Speaker B: Yeah. There's not shit you can really do about it.
[00:44:34] Speaker A: There's nothing you can do to prevent that.
[00:44:36] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: Except maybe induce labor and give birth a little bit earlier. That's it. If it happens.
[00:44:43] Speaker B: Fucking nightmare.
[00:44:43] Speaker A: But anyway, if it happens, it's not because of something the mother did. It's always a tragedy because.
[00:44:51] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:52] Speaker A: It's always an accident.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:44:53] Speaker A: There's no medical Cause there's nothing that a woman can do to cause it or prevent it.
[00:44:58] Speaker B: It's like SIDS once the child's born.
[00:45:00] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:45:01] Speaker B: It's. There's nothing understood as to why it happened. It just happened. But speaking of while the child was born, she also wants to extend postpartum coverage from 2 months to 12 months for Medicaid.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: I see them do it everywhere.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: Oh, no, seriously, 46 states apparently already do that.
[00:45:21] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:45:21] Speaker B: And that is up from only. There were only three when the Biden administration started. 46 out of 50 now do. From three. 43 more states have signed on to give a little bit more care postpartum to mom, to the people who desperately.
[00:45:39] Speaker A: Need it the most.
Because having kids is expensive. And if you're on Medicaid, you can't. No, you absolutely can't. And what a lot of people don't realize about Medicaid recipients, how many of them are actually working.
[00:45:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:56] Speaker A: People don't realize. I'm gonna switch back over to housing for a second. People don't realize how many people who are on government aid are actually working full time.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: Yep. Oh, I'm not surprised.
[00:46:07] Speaker A: My sister works in public housing. And I sat down, this was a few years ago. I looked at my sister and I said, I got a question. Can you give me a breakdown of how. How many people who live in your apartment complexes are working? And she said, absolutely. And she rattled off multiple numbers. I mean, it was like. It was like 65% of the people living in Section 8 housing were working full time. Of the other 35%, only 5% were zero income. The rest were people working part time, people going to school full time, and elderly. 5% of all the people living in section 8 housing, zero income, 65% were working full time.
[00:46:53] Speaker B: I was working full time equivalent. It wasn't until after the fact that I found out that I qualified for snap. Well, it was called food stamps at the time. But yeah, yeah, I.
Because I worked at fast food, I was able to bring. And it was a. It was a franchise situation that wasn't corporate. I was able to bring leftovers home.
[00:47:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:47:13] Speaker B: So I ended up eating a whole lot of. Bad for me fast food because, you know, that. And Ramen paid. Made it so that I could not starve.
[00:47:20] Speaker A: Exactly. Oh, yes. The 90s, I remember. And so a lot of people don't realize that a number of the number of people who were on Medicaid who were the working poor.
[00:47:32] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. I love a lot of what she's saying about healthcare. I would like to see a lot more breadth and a lot more widespread coverage, but that's mostly because I know exactly, I'm getting a very good feel of exactly how bad it is for people who don't have access to an employer health plan. I would not, if I, if I were in your situation, I would not be getting my multiple sclerosis medication. I wouldn't be able to afford it. And they have assistance programs and I still wouldn't be able to afford it. Now the nice part is, outside of medicine, she's also promising to push her administration to crack down on anti competitive practices that's letting big corporations jack up prices to undermine competition, allowing business to thrive while keeping prices low for consumers. And with what we saw with COVID she wants to go after the bad actors who exploit an emergency to rip off consumers.
She wants to have a first ever federal ban on corporate price gouging on food and groceries. Apparently 37 states already have anti price gouging statutes. I can pretty much guarantee that Indiana probably isn't one of those because we regularly have the price gouging at the gas tank. So at the gas. So I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have anti price gouging in place for anything else either. And then they reiterate that she is going to go after Big Pharma to lower drug prices, cap insulin costs for everybody, keep fighting to bring down prescription drug costs by taking on pharmacy middlemen because the pharmacy middlemen are raising prices because again, for profit. And so, you know, they claim raise consumer prices for their own gain and squeeze independent pharmacist profits. Yeah, but I'm disturbed insofar as the focus of her section talking about take on bad actors bring down costs is strictly limited to talking about food and groceries and pharmacy. So that was, that's, that's her take on bad actors. I'll appreciate that her focus on bad actors is the price gougers.
[00:49:40] Speaker A: It's.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: We're not talking the same bad actors that a certain other group is talking about as bad actors. And we haven't called them bad hombres and betrayed exactly how racist we are.
[00:49:50] Speaker A: Right.
[00:49:51] Speaker B: By trying to appropriate someone else's conversational means. And then she wants to continue with lowering energy costs, which would be fabulous.
[00:50:01] Speaker A: Which would be a lifesaver.
[00:50:03] Speaker B: But she's won, apparently. She's won tens of millions in settlements against big oil and she's held polluters accountable. I would love to see the EPA get reinstated with all of their oh yes, please limit Speaking because dam or air quality and a lot of the toxins in the air have gotten worse.
[00:50:23] Speaker A: Last year when we had the, when they had the Canadian forest fires and all of that, all of that particulate just spread across the country.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: Dreadful. Oh my God.
[00:50:32] Speaker A: Indianapolis looked like it did in the 70s with all its smog. And I'm like, I don't want to go back to this.
[00:50:39] Speaker B: No, it sucked. And yet this is where our state legislation legislature wants to take us back to. I know, but she. The bonus is she cast the tie breaking vote to pass the inflation Reduction act. And that was a huge investment in climate action. And it's lowering household energy costs, creating hundreds of thousands of high quality clean energy jobs and building a thriving clean energy economy, all while ensuring America's energy security and independence with record energy production.
[00:51:09] Speaker A: Aren't we?
[00:51:09] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:51:10] Speaker A: We're doing more fracking now than under Biden than we were before. They're finding safer ways to do it.
[00:51:16] Speaker B: I think. I think they're finding less environmentally destructive ways to do it.
[00:51:20] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:51:20] Speaker B: Because fracking was a big bad word back in the 80s and 90s.
[00:51:24] Speaker A: Well, actually it was even in the 2000s. Because in the late 2000s. In the late 2000s, it was causing so many problems environmentally. And even into 2000, 2000 teens, it was causing a lot of environmental problems. I'm glad to find that they're finally starting to find slightly less damaging ways to do it.
[00:51:47] Speaker B: You take the next chunk.
[00:51:49] Speaker A: What was the next chunk? As president, she will unite Americans to tackle the climate crisis as she builds on this historic work. Advances environmental justice, protects public lands and public health, increases resilience to climate.
[00:52:05] Speaker B: Disasters, may.
[00:52:08] Speaker A: Leave that in.
[00:52:08] Speaker B: That's another new word. Another new word.
[00:52:11] Speaker A: Let me leave that in because. Damn, that's funny. Increases resilience to climate disasters, lowers household energy costs, creates millions of new jobs, and continues to hold polluters accountable to secure clean air and water for all. That really should have been bullet points.
[00:52:27] Speaker B: Yes. And the thing is, I wish her the best of uniting Americans to tackle this climate crisis because you know the oil industry ain't going to go along with that.
[00:52:39] Speaker A: Oh, no, the oil industry.
[00:52:42] Speaker B: The oil industry is having shit fits right now because the vehicle industry is starting to do electric everything and they are not happy.
[00:52:48] Speaker A: I know. And the oil industry should have gotten into green energy.
[00:52:51] Speaker B: You would think that would have been.
[00:52:53] Speaker A: The smart thing to. Instead of, instead of actively working to squelch green energy research. Thank you, BP Oil.
They could have actually invested in it.
[00:53:07] Speaker B: I know, right? And they'd be making money hand over fist as we switch over. But no, we can only do fossil.
[00:53:13] Speaker A: Fuels which are going to run out.
[00:53:15] Speaker B: Which are going to run out by definition. I mean, we do not produce enough fossils and they do not have enough time to sit around around to turn into fuel to be able to get more fossil fuels. It just doesn't work that way.
[00:53:30] Speaker A: Precisely.
[00:53:31] Speaker B: Most of the fossils we produce are still out walking around.
Wow. I'm even campaigning for president.
Yes, I said it and yes, I meant it.
I said it, I meant it. And please do feel free to leave that in because I said it and I meant it.
[00:53:48] Speaker A: I will do so.
So as Vice President, as the Vice President said at the International Climate Conference COP28, she knows that meeting this global challenge will require global cooperation. And she is committed to continuing and building upon the United States international climate leadership. She and Governor Walz will always fight for the freedom to breathe clean air, drink clean water and live free from the pollution that fuels the climate. Cross. It's a nice way of putting it.
[00:54:18] Speaker B: It is. It's a very nice way of putting it because it has been concretely proven. Granted, people will still argue against it, but it has been concretely proven that human industrial production has fueled climate change issues. We're having. It is human created, which means it has to be human defeated.
[00:54:43] Speaker A: Absolutely. Now, if you want to find all of these, you can go to kamalaharris.com issues and you'll find them all there.
[00:54:50] Speaker B: You'll also find her take on 20, 25 agenda project. 25.
[00:54:56] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:54:58] Speaker B: And she added this is new.
[00:55:00] Speaker A: Oh, we have new stuff.
[00:55:02] Speaker B: She has new stuff. Which is always a happy. Because there's our reproductive freedoms and civil rights. And freedoms. So just since, see, this is, this is where we complained at the beginning. Where I complained at the beginning that they were behind on uploading this stuff. That means they are adding new stuff.
[00:55:21] Speaker A: They are adding new stuff.
[00:55:22] Speaker B: They've added a section on our reproductive and civil rights and ensure safety and justice for all. So there's actually three new sections in here that weren't here the last time we were in here. So I appreciate it.
[00:55:37] Speaker A: Looks like she has expanded on some.
[00:55:40] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:55:41] Speaker A: Because there's securing the borders, fixing the broken immigration system.
[00:55:45] Speaker B: Yeah, good luck on that. It's been broken for an awfully long time.
[00:55:49] Speaker A: Oh, tackling the opioid fentanyl crisis. You know a way that could actually help tackle the opioid crisis is federal legalization of medical marijuana.
Because studies show how much marijuana can help pain issues.
[00:56:10] Speaker B: Yes, it Can. No, I don't smoke it because no, it doesn't do shit for me.
[00:56:14] Speaker A: Yeah. But for quite a few people, it is great for dealing with chronic pain.
[00:56:19] Speaker B: But I will say the CBD edibles that we have access to here in Indiana that are legal help.
[00:56:25] Speaker A: They can help.
[00:56:26] Speaker B: They help a whole lot better than some of the painkillers that I have to take. I will never forget, to be honest.
[00:56:31] Speaker A: I will never forget the day about fell out of my chair when we were talking about CBD oil, that it had just been legalized in Indiana and. But marijuana still wasn't legal. And abou. Fell out of my chair when my mom went, you know what? If marijuana was legal, I'd smoke it because the c.
My mother. The last person on the planet.
[00:56:54] Speaker B: Oh, no, my mom.
My mom is the last person on the planet. You expect to say that? So honestly, I'm like, you.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: You said what?
[00:57:02] Speaker B: I'd expect it out of your mom sooner than my mom in a heartbeat.
[00:57:06] Speaker A: And I mean, she just. She blew my mind because I'm like, weren't you a big advocate of just say no? And she's like, you know what? I heard all the time, I don't care anymore.
Like, okay, you know what? I'll give you that.
[00:57:19] Speaker B: So here. So scanning through really quickly, especially for her gun violence material, I don't 100% support what she's saying that they point out that she helped deliver the largest investment in public safety ever, investing 15 billion in supporting local law enforcement and community safety programs across thousand cities, towns and counties. Great. And she wants to expand that. I.
You. We've done our.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: We talk about this. We talk about this.
[00:57:46] Speaker B: In policing in America, you need to do more than just toss money at it. You have half to toss. You have to toss regulations on training levels. You have to toss background checks and mental checks. Before you hire someone or before you train someone, before you train them, you have to do these assessments first.
[00:58:04] Speaker A: You have to increase social services.
[00:58:07] Speaker B: Yes. Well, no, that's. That is in here. She wants to hire and train over 14,000 mental health professionals for the schools.
[00:58:13] Speaker A: No, I don't want just schools. I want for the police. Police.
[00:58:16] Speaker B: I know. I agree.
[00:58:17] Speaker A: Because we had an example just recently of someone who was suffering from a seizure.
[00:58:25] Speaker B: I know. A freaking epileptic seizure. This is something we're not unfamiliar with. We know what these are people.
[00:58:30] Speaker A: And the police killed that person. Said it, meant it.
[00:58:34] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:58:35] Speaker A: Straight up.
[00:58:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Because he.
[00:58:38] Speaker A: Even with the paramedics there, Even with.
[00:58:40] Speaker B: The paramedics who'd Already been there that day there. The paramedics didn't stop it. Which is also why I'm highly sus about the whole situation. Yes, he was, he was a young black man. He was a young person of color. And there it is.
[00:58:54] Speaker A: Because we talk a lot about racism in our first episode of Policing in.
[00:58:57] Speaker B: America, but she wants to continue to invest in funding law enforcement and hiring and training officers and people to support them. And like I said, I.
[00:59:06] Speaker A: This is.
[00:59:06] Speaker B: We have to stop just throwing money at it because that's not. Not going to fix it. We have to fundamentally reimagine how we structure, hiring and enacting.
[00:59:18] Speaker A: We have to restructure the entire system.
[00:59:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:59:22] Speaker A: Or the problems aren't going to go away.
[00:59:24] Speaker B: No, they're still going to hire. They're still going to hire the high school bullies that are just going to be even bigger bullies because now they got a gun to back it up.
[00:59:30] Speaker A: Which is exactly what I've seen.
[00:59:32] Speaker B: Well, it's exactly what Indiana has.
[00:59:34] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:59:34] Speaker B: To be honest, I've seen a lot of it. And it's exactly what small town Michigan had because again, the local cop that occasionally hung around the town where I was at. Yeah, he was one of those. He was one of those. So, yeah, I'm very familiar with it now as veep, she actually supported the bipartisan border security bill that got tanked by a certain former president who was all about securing the border and his Republican flunkies that are all about securing the border.
[01:00:05] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a reasonable. It was. No, it was a reasonable solution and they tanked it because they don't want to solve the problem.
[01:00:14] Speaker B: No, granted. Now they have been seizing record amounts of fentanyl, which is great. And I appreciate again, increase in border agents. Awesome. But again, we're back with the policing issue. And the same thing goes into ICE as goes into the cops.
[01:00:33] Speaker A: Yes. And we need more people processing immigrants at the borders.
[01:00:40] Speaker B: Our even bigger problem than that is beyond just the people processing at the borders. We need to fix that broken part of our judiciary because our entire judiciary is completely fucked and broken with us.
[01:00:50] Speaker A: The amount of time it takes to become a citizen in this country is.
[01:00:53] Speaker B: Bananas because there's almost no judges that oversee it. And the few judges that do are under quota systems that they have to run through it as quickly as they possibly can. So they're just stamping in or not. However their whim goes, however pushed quickly, they are to the point where. Yes, this is fact. I did research this during COVID because I had Nothing better to do. Infants have no representation in court. Infants, people, we are talking pre. Verbal. Have no representation in court for immigration. And they have to sit up there in a baby carrier by themselves because. Yeah, tell me that system isn't broken. Convince me.
[01:01:39] Speaker A: In any other situation in our American judicial system, a child is represented in some way, shape or form by an adult, more often than not at social services.
[01:01:50] Speaker B: Well, and, and honestly, we've had more and more media coverage of the number of American citizens that have been sent outside of America. Because you must be an immigrant. You didn't have the right paperwork. Please tell me how many people actually have a copy of their birth certificate?
[01:02:06] Speaker A: I didn't until I was an adult. Actually, I had to go get a new version of my birth certificate because the old one disappeared.
[01:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah, how many people actually have a copy of their birth certificate? I didn't have a copy of my birth certificate until I went to get married.
I was 28 years old before I had. I had a copy of my Social Security card. I didn't have a copy of my birth certificate.
[01:02:27] Speaker A: I know someone who literally carries around a driver's license size card of her birth certificate because she's eight years younger than us and looks perpetually 16, has never aged. That would be.
[01:02:41] Speaker B: That would be. I can't wait till you meet my sister, who's 12 years older than I am. You'll understand.
[01:02:45] Speaker A: Literally. I mean, okay, that's probably not true now, but, like, 10, 15 years ago, she literally carried around a copy of her birth certificate because nobody ever believed her license was real.
[01:02:56] Speaker B: Well, this is my sister when she was. She was. She was getting her Juris Doctorate at Vanderbilt University in. Not in Tennessee when the Knoxville World Fair came through. And so she took me to the World's Fair because, you know, she could. I was still in. It was 82, so I was still in middle school.
[01:03:17] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:03:18] Speaker B: So she. I went with a visit for her.
[01:03:20] Speaker A: We just.
[01:03:21] Speaker B: She decided to stop at a Guess your age, guess your weight.
[01:03:24] Speaker A: Booth.
[01:03:24] Speaker B: He thought she was 13.
She pulled out her Vanderbilt ID. She pulled out her ID from her first college. She pulled out her driver's license. And he still didn't want to believe her because she looked like a kid.
I mean, I still have. I. I'm one of the genetically blessed folks. I'm 53 years old. My hair says I'm only in my 30s, maybe early 40s. I cannot say that because my hair has one or two strands of silver somewhere in it.
[01:03:57] Speaker A: I haven't been able to say that since I was 20.
[01:04:02] Speaker B: Well that's like my. My middle school English teacher. She was fully gr. She was fully white hair by the time she was 32.
[01:04:08] Speaker A: My grandfather by the time he was 25. His father by the time he was 30, and one of my uncles by the time he was 35.
[01:04:17] Speaker B: Yeah, see I. My mom had. My mom had gray hair by now. My mom started getting gray in her late 30s, early 40s.
[01:04:25] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:04:26] Speaker B: And I am still a brunette.
[01:04:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:04:27] Speaker B: I'm kind of perturbed. I wouldn't mind getting a little silver in there and getting a little growing in there and actually looking a little closer to my age. I kind of wouldn't mind.
Especially since it would be easier to dye it purple. Damn it.
[01:04:41] Speaker A: You know, that's funny. I'm actually growing the dyed hair out so then going back to my natural white because then I can dye my hair whatever color I want.
[01:04:48] Speaker B: Exactly.
[01:04:48] Speaker A: And I'm seriously considering if it's. If all of its grown out enough by pride. Next year it might be rainbow color.
[01:04:53] Speaker B: Sweet.
[01:04:54] Speaker A: Or at least streaks. I remember when my cousin got out of vet school. Got out of veterinary school and her first year working as a vet, she was like. Like every other Gen Xer on the planet. She was perpetually younger looking than she actually was.
[01:05:08] Speaker B: She still is. And I know in a lot of ways she still is.
[01:05:11] Speaker A: We all are. And she actually said a couple of people suggested to her that she get her hair frosted, get her hair highlighted so they looked like she had some gray hair. That people would think that she was. Yes. Actually a pet.
[01:05:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Full disclosure, I actually knew Bri's cousin before I knew Bri. So Yeah, I. I'm very familiar with the whole family. Small world. It was a weird small world moment.
[01:05:41] Speaker A: She literally had a couple of older people were like, get your hair frosted, honey. People will think that you're older. Yeah.
[01:05:46] Speaker B: People will actually take you seriously.
[01:05:47] Speaker A: And they'll take you seriously. Oh, it was.
[01:05:50] Speaker B: But our. But our immigration system needs to be more comprehens. I appreciate that. She says needs comprehensive reform including strong border security and earned pathway to citizenship. I don't know whether it's time to just strip the system and start over.
[01:06:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:06:04] Speaker B: Because it is that badly broken.
[01:06:08] Speaker A: We're gonna zip through this pretty quick because we're past two hours.
[01:06:10] Speaker B: I love this. Ensure no one is above the law. A fucking men common sense. Supreme Court reforms like requirements justices to comply with ethics rules that other judges are bound by and imposing term limits. Please. Nobody should be able to have a lifetime Appointment.
[01:06:30] Speaker A: No.
[01:06:31] Speaker B: Especially when they're willing to become this partisan.
[01:06:34] Speaker A: Absolutely. They talk about. They have actually added stuff in about standing with our allies and standing up to dictators.
[01:06:41] Speaker B: Absolutely.
[01:06:41] Speaker A: I love that idea. We are blowing through the rest of this.
[01:06:45] Speaker B: We are blowing through the rest of this because it's all brand new and it wasn't here last week when we started.
[01:06:50] Speaker A: I know. Yeah. God, that was just last week.
[01:06:52] Speaker B: That was just last week.
[01:06:53] Speaker A: Which means keep an eye on this page, folks. More might get added.
[01:06:56] Speaker B: They're adding more. So. And here's the thing. The ally or the dictator she wants to stand up to are all the ones that a certain other candidate seems to think are great role models.
So, yeah, that's. That's a thing. She does want to Absolutely. Support service members, veterans, their families, caregivers and survivors. She is all about helping support our troops and those who have. Who support our troops.
[01:07:27] Speaker A: Exactly.
[01:07:28] Speaker B: They call it a sacred obligation, for which I am very thankful because again, a certain other candidate manages to shit on that sacred obligation all the time, every time he fucking turns around.
[01:07:41] Speaker A: I have to admit, I really like the fact that they've delivered the most significant expansion of benefits and services for veterans exposed to burn pits, Agent Orange and other toxic substances in more than 30 years. And I'll tell you right now, that's another thing they're going to want to end up having to look into. There are several scientific studies out there that. That have shown that men who fought in Vietnam and were exposed to Agent Orange experienced a change in their genetic makeup. It didn't affect them.
[01:08:13] Speaker B: It affected their children.
[01:08:15] Speaker A: It affected their assigned female at birth children. That's why you're starting to see higher levels of hypothyroidism and polycystic ovarian syndrome.
They're starting to connect the increase in those to a genetic alteration in the fathers who fought in Vietnam. Hence the reason why I have hypothyroidism. My sister does not. She was born before she was conceived, before he went to Vietnam. I was conceived after he came back.
[01:08:48] Speaker B: Interesting. Yeah, that is interesting. I hadn't heard about that, but I will say we still need research, too, and things that people are not actually investigating and thinking about. So this is from the Gulf War. All right. Coke decided to. This is. This is something I studied at the time because it was dealing with Ms.
[01:09:08] Speaker A: Okay.
[01:09:09] Speaker B: Coke decided to help our troops and they sent over tons of Diet Coke to the Middle east, which often sat out in pallets and they drank it hot. It breaks down into chemicals that affect the body. The aspartame chemical sweetener breaks down into things that build up and toxicity within the body.
[01:09:33] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:09:33] Speaker B: And people with ms, it can trigger flares. This is why I stay away from aspartame. However, it also actively, it is been traced to actively have caused physical issues, chronic physical issues in the men and women that drank it in the Middle east when they were fighting. This has not made the major news cycles because it's an, it's been an ongoing background study that's been going on. And it's science. Major news cycles don't report on science unless science shoves it in their faces and says, you cannot look at how bad climate change had to exist before the, before major news sources would take it seriously. They've only been taking it seriously maybe for the past eight years, if that.
[01:10:20] Speaker A: We have been talking about climate, we.
[01:10:22] Speaker B: Have been talking about climate crisis for at least 20, 30 years.
[01:10:26] Speaker A: Oh, longer than that.
[01:10:27] Speaker B: Well, longer than that.
[01:10:27] Speaker A: They were talking about climate crisis. They were talking about climate crisis in these late 60s and 70s because of the ozone layer. So no, we have been talking about climate crisis.
[01:10:39] Speaker B: Really hit the news. I was like never really hit the news cycle. It started hitting the news cycle again in the 80s and then it went away again. And it's only been within this past eight years or five to eight years.
[01:10:52] Speaker A: About 20, about 15 years. So I remember hearing about it in.
[01:10:55] Speaker B: The late 2000s again, but it was only the fringe areas like Scientific American, the science journals, the science related journals that were talking about it wasn't the main media that was talking about it. Al Gore did a lot to get people talking about it, but even then he got laughed off as a quack.
[01:11:15] Speaker A: Yeah, he did.
[01:11:16] Speaker B: And now mainstream media is taking it pretty damn fucking seriously.
[01:11:20] Speaker A: Yep. Because now we are facing, we're almost.
[01:11:24] Speaker B: To the point of no. Well, we're right on the cusp of.
[01:11:26] Speaker A: The cusp of no return.
[01:11:27] Speaker B: Of no return.
[01:11:29] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:11:30] Speaker B: So yeah, it's. The thing is they've added so much material since then, since in just the past week. So it's definitely worth keeping up on.
[01:11:41] Speaker A: And again, that is. Kamalaharris.com issuesiss issues.
[01:11:45] Speaker B: They want to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights and Freedom to Vote act to enshrine voting rights protections.
[01:11:52] Speaker A: Good.
[01:11:52] Speaker B: Because that got gutted. We know that got gutted. We need it. And they want to expand vote by mail and early voting. They want to protect Americans from discrimination. Building on her work to secure 2 billion in funds for the offices of civil rights across the federal government, she'll Always defend the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. In 2004, she officiated some of the nation's first same sex marriages. I did not know that.
[01:12:15] Speaker A: Yes, she did.
[01:12:16] Speaker B: That's cool.
[01:12:16] Speaker A: Yes, she did.
[01:12:17] Speaker B: And as president, she wants to fight to pass the Equality act to enshrine anti discrimination protections for LGBTQIA Americans in health care, housing, education and more into law.
[01:12:28] Speaker A: Good.
[01:12:29] Speaker B: Yeah, no shit. Over fucking due way overdue. But this is. But honestly, this is. But. But understand too, this is the slavery of our time. You realize that this is what's causing the Civil war rift between the parties of our at this point is lgbtqia.
[01:12:47] Speaker A: Yeah, because we're perfectly willing to accept the slavery that exists in for profit prisons and the work release program, which.
[01:12:55] Speaker B: Is hideously wrong in and of itself too. I noticed that's not in here anymore.
[01:12:59] Speaker A: It may end up being another episode.
[01:13:01] Speaker B: That I think is on our list of things that we wanted to talk about. I think it. Actually, I don't have the list open right now, but it is pretty comprehensively long.
[01:13:10] Speaker A: Queer rights, and particularly anti and particularly trans rights are going to be one of those pillars, pivotal issues.
[01:13:22] Speaker B: And I'm thinking about, if you think about. If we look back at this, at the Civil War was about being able to live with slavery or not. And that was what that was about. This is being able to live. This is again about the definition of a human.
[01:13:39] Speaker A: Exactly.
[01:13:40] Speaker B: And it's that same thing that's got us.
Do I think we're going to Civil war? I. Dear gods, I hope not. Please know there was enough bloodshed back then. We don't need more now.
[01:13:50] Speaker A: There was enough bloodshed back then and we have improved significantly on warfare, including the tools of warfare.
[01:14:01] Speaker B: So do I think this is going to happen? Dear gods, I hope not. Do I hear mutterings from reporting about the alt right? Yeah, I unfortunately do. And I hear it from the left too. I mean both. But one side is saying it as we will not give in to change our way of life. Oh, kind of like, I don't know, slavery.
[01:14:29] Speaker A: Kind of like the South.
[01:14:30] Speaker B: And the other side is we deserve to be human. We will demand our human rights. And if it's bloodshed that's required, we will pay it and we will demand it.
[01:14:40] Speaker A: We refuse to give up our rights to be human beings.
[01:14:44] Speaker B: And that was the North. That wasn't the North. That's the difference. That wasn't the North. The north was more of, we're a single country and we can't have this bullshit anymore.
[01:14:54] Speaker A: Yeah, to a large extent.
[01:14:55] Speaker B: To a large extent, the north was.
[01:14:58] Speaker A: Absolutely anti slavery, but there was a significant problem with the fact that. No, you cannot leave.
We are one nation.
[01:15:07] Speaker B: We are one nation. I know Texas keeps saying, want to secede, Want to secede. And I know a fair number of people who say, myself included, honestly, that say, see ya, Go be your own country racist self. I don't care. You want to take yourself elsewhere, take yourself elsewhere. You want to be your own country, you try negotiating with Mexico after you've been so shitty to them all. You have that fun all on you.
[01:15:32] Speaker A: Oh, that would be entertaining to watch.
[01:15:34] Speaker B: Exactly.
[01:15:35] Speaker A: I'd have to pull out the popcorn for that.
[01:15:37] Speaker B: And that would be. That would be the. Remember I mentioned about gathering them up and letting them have their own country. We can shuffle them all off to Texas and they can have their own country.
[01:15:46] Speaker A: There you go.
[01:15:47] Speaker B: And we can put our border walls so that Texas can't get in.
[01:15:52] Speaker A: I have friends in Texas.
[01:15:54] Speaker B: I'm not sure how I feel about that. Unfortunately, the last of my friends have moved out of Texas, which makes me very happy. I have family in Texas, but, you know, they're cousins. They're distant cousins. They're not even that distant. They're my. They're see my dad's side of the family cousins that I never see anyways. So, you know, the ones that I actually care about seeing and love moved back to Michigan so the rest of them can stay in Texas.
[01:16:17] Speaker A: Wow. Tell me how you really feel.
[01:16:19] Speaker B: I really. Okay, I. Full disclosure, I am an expert at burning bridges and just walking away. Toss the match and walk away. I'm really good at it.
[01:16:27] Speaker A: You are very good at that.
[01:16:28] Speaker B: I'm very, very good.
[01:16:31] Speaker A: So have we. Have we kicked this well enough? I think.
[01:16:34] Speaker B: I think we have. Since we warp speeded through all the stuff they added in the past week. No kidding. There's only supposed to be a couple issues on this one.
[01:16:42] Speaker A: And then.
[01:16:43] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness, there's all this new material.
[01:16:45] Speaker A: Oh, no, there's more. And. But wait, there's more.
[01:16:49] Speaker B: Which means also keep your eyes open because they are expanding this, for which I'm final. I'm very thankful. And they are putting it up there. They're also sharing the response of how this compares to yes, their opponent. They're not putting words in. Yeah, they're putting words into their opponent's mouth.
[01:17:08] Speaker A: Yeah, they are.
[01:17:08] Speaker B: They are. But they're also openly saying this is what our opponent has said.
[01:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[01:17:14] Speaker B: So the words they're putting in are summarizing what their opponent has actually said.
[01:17:19] Speaker A: They can actually show their work.
[01:17:20] Speaker B: Overall, I'm glad they're finally getting the issues up there. The policies needed to be up there a couple weeks ago, right after the Democratic National Convention ended, and they weren't, which is why loser boy got to have his say in the middle. And it didn't work very well for him because everybody's forgotten it. Thank you. Oh, yeah, they haven't really been going on about that, for which I'm very thankful.
[01:17:44] Speaker A: Too busy dealing with criminal charges from Springfield, Ohio.
[01:17:48] Speaker B: They're also too busy dealing with the attempted. The. The attempted not assassination. The attempted not assassin. The non assassination attempt. There we go. The non assassination attempt. Oh, well, they, he, he, he flat. He wrote a note before it happened saying, I'm sorry, I didn't do it. I mean, come on, who does that?
[01:18:09] Speaker A: Someone who's really perfect prepared.
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[01:19:14] Speaker A: Have a great one, everybody.
[01:19:16] Speaker B: Have a good one.
[01:19:16] Speaker A: Bye now.
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