Episode Transcript
[00:00:05] Speaker A: Hi everyone and welcome to Spill the Tea, the podcast that just wants you to hear us out. We bring awareness about topics in pop culture, history, literature, music and life, the universe and everything. As far as we're concerned, we research different topics and share with you our what we discover. I'm Brigitte.
[00:00:23] Speaker B: I'm Laura.
[00:00:24] Speaker A: And in today's episode we are going to continue with our review of the Democratic Party plus platform for 2024 through.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: The lens of the Harris Wells campaign statements.
[00:00:35] Speaker A: Precisely.
[00:00:36] Speaker B: So the limit that is only presidential possible power abilities versus the Democratic party platform.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: So stick around for the information coupled with a healthy dose of snark asm our lovely combination of snark and sarcasm and just hear us out. All right, so we're jumping back in.
[00:00:53] Speaker B: With one of yours. Rent. Oh yes, I love that they want to make rent more affordable. Not that I rent, but I would much rather have you being able to pay your rent because we record here.
To be very blunt about that one.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: You'Re right, very right on that.
[00:01:13] Speaker B: That and you're my best friend and I really don't want to see you out of a home. But you know, Nessie, I appreciate that.
[00:01:20] Speaker A: So we're going to make rent more affordable and homeownership more attention go from the website.
[00:01:25] Speaker B: Well, her record from as attorney general of California, she, which, you know, I know California, but give them a, give them a break. All right. She took on the banks to get 20 billion back to middle class families who faced foreclosure.
She helped pass a homeowner bill of rights, one of the first ever. Yeah, so you know, she, she points out, you know, it's financial stability, it's financial security opportunity for intergenerational wealth and thanks to, I don't know the it being a home.
[00:02:03] Speaker A: And I just realized you didn't say home.
A home provides represents financial security and an opportunity to build energy to intergenerational wealth. I can talk sure about that because.
[00:02:17] Speaker B: I read that without too many problems.
[00:02:20] Speaker A: Who knows?
Sorry, who knows? Couldn't resist.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: But yes, a home is more than a house. But the house, you can have a home without having a house being the problem. Which is why I didn't want to specify that you meant a home because the house is the intergenerational wealth.
[00:02:38] Speaker A: Yes, it is.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: The home is what you make out of the house.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:02:43] Speaker B: So you know, that's why I kind of like I was a little good with leaving it with it because it was a little vague and I was good leaving it there.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: Well, yeah, but our, our Listeners are not looking at the website as we're talking, so.
[00:02:57] Speaker B: Well, you should. We give you the links for it. We're not on visual, but we give them the links for it. They can. They can watch along while we're here. So we give them the links. No, I thought we were giving you the links.
[00:03:11] Speaker A: We do give them the links, but no, they don't need to do that.
You're asking a little too much of people who are listening to podcasts while they're going back and forth to work.
[00:03:22] Speaker B: If you're driving a car, don't look at the links.
If you're driving a car, don't look.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: At the links until you're no longer.
[00:03:28] Speaker B: I've been behind a few too many people who do that. Please don't.
[00:03:32] Speaker A: Yeah. And it says for too many Americans, homeownership is too far out of reach. So Harris has put forward a comprehensive plan to build 3 million more rental units and homes that are affordable to end the national housing supply crisis in her first term.
[00:03:49] Speaker B: Does that mean she's going to be building them where the various areas where they're needed? That should be interesting. That should be interesting because I don't know that we qualify as an area that needs it, except that we only have a couple of government subsidized housings and oh, yeah, they're still run by the same company out in 10 out in Texas. So, you know, Landlords R Us. It's Texan, anyway.
[00:04:12] Speaker A: Yeah, I know, it's really disturbing.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: And then she wants to cut the red tape to make sure we build. And this is where I'm getting not happy. Build more housing faster and penalize firms that hoard available homes to drive up prices for local home buyers. The second part of that I'm all on that. Penalize firms that hoard homes. I'm all about that. However, the first half of that, the.
Yeah, more housing, faster. That is a really not good idea.
[00:04:39] Speaker A: Do you remember one of our last. One of our earlier episodes where I was talking about the home building company that had to go out of business because all their homes had black mold?
[00:04:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:04:50] Speaker A: It was because they were taking too many cuts in the building process and they weren't letting things dry completely.
[00:04:58] Speaker B: Oh, here's my shock face.
[00:05:00] Speaker A: So building them faster. I'm not so sure on.
[00:05:03] Speaker B: I saw the wonderful effects of building faster in. When I was living in North Carolina. Not that they don't do a halfway decent job, but they build really fast. And I don't know about the drying and the curing Thing I do know that it was cheap ass and I probably could have accidentally punched through a wall. Truly by accident. So faster isn't necessarily the best choice.
[00:05:29] Speaker A: No, it's not.
[00:05:30] Speaker B: Slower is absolutely not the best choice. But faster, not a word.
[00:05:35] Speaker A: I like penalizing firms that hoard available houses.
[00:05:39] Speaker B: Absolutely, Absolutely.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: That's price couching.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: I want to penalize. I want to penalize the house flippers that don't do anything that isn't cosmetic.
That would be enough. And then overprice their resale because that's all new. All new interior. And then you have a short interior, your electrical system and you go in and realize the wires are a show.
[00:06:01] Speaker A: Huh.
[00:06:02] Speaker B: So yeah.
[00:06:03] Speaker A: When your electrician comes to set up 200amp service because you want to hang Christmas lights and they discover. Oh boy. Yeah.
[00:06:12] Speaker B: I remember that house.
[00:06:14] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. My old house that we discovered had some of the knob and tube wiring still connected in the garage.
[00:06:23] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:06:25] Speaker A: 15 years we were there.
[00:06:27] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, so I'd like. I'd like to go farther than just penalizing the companies that buy up all the houses to drive market. I want to go after the goddamn house slippers that come in and put a new coat of paint on things and charge a pretty penny over above because they didn't do enough to actually make it a better place to live.
Cosmetics are all well and good. People start looking below the surface. That's all I gotta say.
[00:06:52] Speaker A: Because it's under the surface that's gonna cause the most trouble.
[00:06:55] Speaker B: Absolutely. Always since never that hasn't been true.
[00:06:58] Speaker A: You know, she's also talking about signing legislation to outlaw new forms of price fixing by corporate landlords. Yay.
I would really like you to take out the word new.
[00:07:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I like to sign legislation to penalize those land.
[00:07:15] Speaker A: Because what that word tells me is you are not going to do a damn thing about the forms of price gouging right now that are causing the problem.
[00:07:27] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:07:27] Speaker A: You're going to go after any new ones?
[00:07:30] Speaker B: Depends on.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: That's not going to help.
[00:07:32] Speaker B: Well, new is a relative term. I'm not. I'm playing devil's advocate here. Okay. Because I don't know one way or the other. New is a relative term.
[00:07:39] Speaker A: Devil does not need his own advocate. Right.
[00:07:41] Speaker B: You know, doesn't matter. I'm still really good at it. New is a relative term. New in comparison to how far. And remember this all started when. What was her favorite line in the debate? We have to remember when this all started.
[00:07:55] Speaker A: God damn it. No, I don't remember.
[00:07:56] Speaker B: No, that was it. We have to look back to when this all started. We have to remember when this all started. That was. She loved doing that during the debate. And that's kind of my point with new. New is only relative to what your starting point is.
[00:08:08] Speaker A: That I'll give you. Okay, that makes me feel a lot better about it.
[00:08:11] Speaker B: Doesn't necessarily mean that this is just understanding that it's a relative term and that we don't have a reference point for that relative term. That's all. Could be things that are already in place are already in place and we're fucked. But it's just as likely that things that are already in place count as new because since the last time, I don't know anybody passed really any major housing laws relative to apartments that that would be new.
[00:08:44] Speaker A: That goes way back.
[00:08:45] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That's that, that. See that's my point. That would be new. Just saying that does go back fair.
[00:08:50] Speaker A: I like the fact that she is wants to provide first time home buyers with up to 20. Up to $25,000 to help with their down payments. I hate phrases like up to.
[00:09:01] Speaker B: And I really hate the, you know, outlaw new forms of price fixing. I would really like to see them being prosecuted for their old forms too, but that's beside the point.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, me too.
[00:09:10] Speaker B: Really nice to the first time home buyers for 25,000 to help with down payments. But yeah, up to is always wiggly wordsmithing.
But that's also standard political ease because you can't say we're going to guarantee you. Last time someone said that I guarantee you a chicken in every pot and people kept saying, oh, where's the pot? Mm, okay. So she can't guarantee 25,000 to every first time home buyer.
[00:09:35] Speaker A: And that is fair. So it's going to differ from region.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: And she has to also say I can't guarantee that it's going to be 10,000. Well again, variable reason to read, I.
[00:09:46] Speaker A: Could see it easily being a percentage of the down payment up to 25,000.
[00:09:51] Speaker B: Exactly. Because housing you should be expected to put in something, you should also be expected to put in something toward your own housing.
[00:09:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:09:59] Speaker B: So this is probably going to be one of those points where you're a first time home buyer. We can apply this formula to get this amount of money from the federal government to help buy your house. Yeah, probably for your down payment.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: Probably. So it's never simple.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: So have you, you've bought a house before? Oh yes, I've signed the paperwork for hours, at least three times now. I'm Done. Thank you. Greg's like, we need to move someplace smaller. You know what? When we're ready to leave the state of Indiana, I will happily move someplace smaller. If we're not leaving the state of Indiana, I'm not moving.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: Getting to a point where mobility issues make having that second floor not such a great idea. That can be a good time to.
[00:10:39] Speaker B: Move something that one level.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: Yes, that.
[00:10:42] Speaker B: That's true. I. I could see it then, too, but, you know, I'm not moving. I am. Okay. Restates in three years, no more. And that was not while I was in college. That was with one toddler and one brand new baby. No, no, no, no.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: Not moving.
[00:11:06] Speaker B: House burns down tomorrow. You're going to see me fumigate and set up in that little thing in the yard in the backyard. Okay.
Because I'll get rid of the spiders and I'll live there. I'm not moving.
[00:11:19] Speaker A: They will put you in temporary housing while they rebuild.
We know somebody who went through this pretty recently.
[00:11:28] Speaker B: Fair, fair, fair. Just my point. But they do very much link the home ownership to the path to the middle class and economic opportunity.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: And to some degree, that is actually true. Again, it's a location thing. I mean, a home. There aren't many homes actually in New York City. A lot of it is apartments.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:49] Speaker A: So it depends on how you're defining the word home.
[00:11:52] Speaker B: Right. The home absolutely always offers stability when it's a home.
[00:11:56] Speaker A: Went to house. Yeah.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: Went to home.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: Oh, okay.
[00:12:00] Speaker B: I was completely stable living in an apartment for many, many years.
[00:12:04] Speaker A: Good point. Yeah, I misunderstood that. So, yeah, you're right.
[00:12:07] Speaker B: So there's a lot of stability to be guaranteed with a home. But a home is not dependent on a house or an apartment or a location. A home is, for me, dependent on at least some place to stash my stuff. And a lot of people that I love.
That's my home.
[00:12:22] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:12:23] Speaker B: Okay. My stuff does include an entire room of books and a bunch of stuffies and some clothes. So I got a lot of stuff to stash.
All right. So I really qualify. I got a lot of stuff. So place to stash my stuff is a pretty big concept.
[00:12:43] Speaker A: True. Well.
[00:12:44] Speaker B: But then again.
[00:12:45] Speaker A: Well. And you make.
She's pointing at stuff in my eyes, which is also my craft room because.
[00:12:52] Speaker B: Which is also.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: I live in an apartment which is.
[00:12:54] Speaker B: Also the floor to ceiling fabric. The flat fabric of the closet.
[00:12:58] Speaker A: No, there's no more fabric in the closet.
[00:13:00] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Congratulations. Why is it out in the garage? That's all camping gear. Oh, it's all camping gear. Okay.
Other things that are on her road to middle class. She wants to ensure that parents can afford high quality child care and preschool for their children. She wants to strengthen public education, not close the department of end the unreasonable burden of student loan debt. Too bad it wasn't in time for me, but I'll live. I would have liked to have been in time.
[00:13:28] Speaker A: Wouldn't it have been nice?
[00:13:29] Speaker B: Wouldn't that have been nice? I know, right?
[00:13:31] Speaker A: Would it be nice to see some of the people I know who are still heavily in debt have that relieved? Yes, actually. Actually, it would make me very happy.
[00:13:38] Speaker B: Yes, it would. Because it would also mean that the second debt we're getting into right now crippling ourselves for the next generation. Mm. Yeah, that would be nice.
[00:13:47] Speaker A: So I really like the fact also that they want to focus on affordable childcare and preschool for their kids.
[00:13:53] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: Enough studies have been done showing how beneficial it is to go to preschool. Yeah. Making it affordable, people. And for God's sakes, making childcare affordable for people.
[00:14:03] Speaker B: Oh, I don't know. It makes it so that people can actually have time to work and be available to go to work. But, oh, wait, these are traditionally women's jobs. So we don't want women to go to work anymore. We want all the men to go to work, all the men folk to go to work, and all the women to stay at home popping out babies.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: Which is really funny because, you know, it's never actually been that way.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: I know.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: Even in the idyllic 1950s, there were a lot of women who worked.
[00:14:30] Speaker B: I know. Because they needed to. Because the men folk were at war.
[00:14:33] Speaker A: No, no, no, no, no. 1950s.
[00:14:34] Speaker B: Yeah, they were. Well, that was Korea.
[00:14:36] Speaker A: Okay. That was Korea.
[00:14:36] Speaker B: I know my history that well. But apparently to date, she has helped deliver the largest investment in public education in American history.
100, nearly 170 billion in student debt relief for almost 5 million.
Now I can't say anything, can't speak. For almost 5 million borrowers and delivered record investments to historic black colleges and universities, tribal colleges, Hispanic serving institutions, and other minority serving institutions.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:15:05] Speaker B: She helped increase the maximum Pell Grant Award by $900. That is a huge thing.
[00:15:11] Speaker A: Oh, God, yes.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: Pell got me through college for my undergraduate degree. Granted, I still had to take out a crap ton of loans because it didn't pay quite enough, but it still took care of a lot.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Pell Grant and the Eli Lilly Grant were two that I got in college and they made a big difference.
[00:15:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:31] Speaker B: And here's the thing, the other thing I would kind of like to see to make the, the affordable education. I kind of like to see if they could figure out how to make it so that a larger amount is part of that minimum amount you. Max amount you can make to still register and apply. Because honestly they haven't updated that since we were in college, I don't think.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: Really? Really.
[00:15:55] Speaker B: You still have to be poverty level to apply to be able to get earned Pell Grant.
[00:15:59] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I'm not surprised because it's kind of still the same way with like. Because they also Medicaid and TANF and all of those.
[00:16:06] Speaker B: Yeah, you have to literally be in poverty to really be able to qualify for a Pell Grant. I was thrilled that the college to which eldest went gave her the money that they did because I didn't know how we were gonna make this work. We were gonna try and figure something out. But yeah, because one income in our house makes too much for a family of four to be able to afford to send someone to college.
[00:16:30] Speaker A: And that is crazy, isn't it?
[00:16:32] Speaker B: We are a single income home and he, and trust me, he does not make that much.
[00:16:39] Speaker A: No, I mean he pays that whole.
[00:16:42] Speaker B: Under 400,000. That applies still. We're talking, we're talking under. I'll be open and honest. Under 200,000. Yeah.
[00:16:49] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:16:50] Speaker B: So first of all, under 200,000 a year for a family of four also putting a child through college. Yeah, but we don't qualify. I don't know what's going to happen when child youngest in four years. When child youngest decides what he wants to do. Because he'll figure something out. I know that.
[00:17:08] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:17:09] Speaker B: But at the same time, we have to figure out how to pay for it or help him pay for it, depending on what it is.
[00:17:14] Speaker A: Yeah, because. And people don't understand when I've seen, I've seen people complain about, well, well, well, they knew that this was going to be a problem. Why did these kids borrow this money? Because it's the only way they can get their schooling paid for. And they know they don't have any other options. They're forced into taking student loans there.
[00:17:34] Speaker B: It's. Honestly, in my case, it was absolutely the only way I was going to survive. And I do mean literally survive, you.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: Know, and it's like, okay, well why did they take out a loan if they don't understand it? Okay, Understand this is 30 year old experience, but I'm sure it hasn't changed. They take all these kids and they're kids, they're 18. 17. 18 years old. 19. And they pull them into a room and they tell them what a student loan is. Vaguely. And they tell them of the programs that you could go through to pay off the student loan.
[00:18:09] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:18:10] Speaker A: Through service. And then they talk about what happens if you default. And they don't really explain anything.
[00:18:17] Speaker B: The mechanics of how the loan works.
[00:18:19] Speaker A: Yeah, they don't really explain the mechanics on how the loan works, how the financing is working. They don't do any of that. So these kids are walking in blind. And then they get saddled with debt, with a predatory lending rate and payback process that is going to put ridiculous amounts of money into the pockets of the student loan company.
[00:18:42] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:18:43] Speaker A: They don't explain any of that. And these kids don't know this stuff. We didn't.
[00:18:47] Speaker B: Nope. The one thing I do like, speaking of finances and didn't know it, that they also, in our day, got kids when they didn't know about it. Credit cards.
[00:18:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:18:59] Speaker B: Because we used to get the hand. That was one of the. That was one of the things I remember most about the day on campus before moving in was the sheer number of credit card brochures I received that were credit card applications.
[00:19:10] Speaker A: Mm.
[00:19:11] Speaker B: They were in every bag. They were everywhere.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: Mm.
[00:19:14] Speaker B: And oh, my goodness, you can even borrow money off your credit card. And how convenient is that? Nobody is. If you read the fine print. Because they still had to put it in the fine print. If you read the fine print. Just like with the student loan. If you have the next 15 hours to decipher the legal ease that the loans are written in.
[00:19:34] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:19:35] Speaker B: With the magnifying glass, to read the written really fine print and have the complex understanding of legal terminology to sort it out, you might be able to understand how all this works on your student loan.
[00:19:47] Speaker A: On your student loan credit card as.
[00:19:48] Speaker B: Well as your credit card. But I got into so much trouble with credit cards because I didn't want. I didn't know any better. My parents kind of kept me stupid financially. Stupid on purpose. I think this is where I'm incredibly.
[00:19:59] Speaker A: Thankful my mother didn't.
[00:20:00] Speaker B: Because my mom took care of all the finances and she was very, very good at juggling finances. Kind of like the man I married. No, he doesn't do anything bad or wrong. It's just looking out to when be able to get the 0% financing, that kind of stuff. But my mom was an expert at doing the same kind of thing. And yeah, she didn't want to teach me any of it. So I Had I went to college knowing absolutely nothing. I knew how to balance checkbook. No.
[00:20:25] Speaker A: Or did I? No.
[00:20:25] Speaker B: I knew how to balance a checkbook. That was it.
[00:20:27] Speaker A: That was it. I knew about credit. I knew about credit cards and things like that because mom was. Mom was. Well, part of it was because when my grandfather had his cerebral hemorrhage, my grandmother found out that he had 12 credit cards and the lowest maximum limit was 5,000.
[00:20:46] Speaker B: Oh, dear. Talk about tanking your credit rating.
[00:20:49] Speaker A: He was using them to pay each other and to pay the utilities and paid the house payment. I'm not kidding. And my grandmother knew nothing about this. I got quite the education on how.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: This stuff works, including a whole lot of interesting new language.
[00:21:07] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. And so I luckily knew about how bad that could be when I went off to college. As a matter of fact, the first two years. The first two years of college, I had enough grants and scholarships. I didn't have to take student loans. So when I had to take a student loan my junior year of college.
[00:21:26] Speaker B: The sticker shock wasn't I came unglued.
[00:21:29] Speaker A: Because I did not want. I knew I did not want to do that because my sister was paying back student loans. I did.
So, yeah, I absolutely signed that first loan contract under GRS because it did not want to do it.
[00:21:46] Speaker B: And see, I couldn't even learn from my sister's experience on stuff like this because, you know, she joined the military and so she didn't have any of that to deal with. I, on the other hand, paid until I was 40. I conveniently managed to finally pay it all off on my 40th birthday or at my 40th birthday.
[00:22:02] Speaker A: So, yeah, I went longer than you did because I didn't actually pay my last one off until 2018, I think. 2018 or 2019.
[00:22:11] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:22:12] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:12] Speaker B: So part of that, I think, might be I had.
I had always gotten part of the aid package being work study, so.
[00:22:22] Speaker A: Oh, I had that too.
[00:22:23] Speaker B: Okay. I didn't know. I didn't know if you were a work study student.
[00:22:25] Speaker A: Work study got me through sophomore year, and it helped some with junior year, but it didn't cover all of it. My first loan, my junior year wasn't that much. I was just incredibly indignant about the.
[00:22:39] Speaker B: Fact that I had to take Fair. The other distinction is I had a corporate professional, normal position, salary position with the college paying for that for a while too. So I had a little bit more income to pay it down for a while.
[00:22:54] Speaker A: Yeah, that helped.
[00:22:55] Speaker B: Granted, I had to take my share of time off without paying it.
Once I found that that was a thing that could happen, I was very appreciative.
Not because I really wanted to abuse it, but because there were just times like I don't know, right after the 2008 crash where I was still paying my student loans.
And here I am in North Carolina with no job and apparently no prospects for a job because I'm an out of work librarian in a very down economy.
[00:23:23] Speaker A: Oh yeah.
[00:23:24] Speaker B: So no more money coming in contact and get the deferment and say thank you very much.
[00:23:30] Speaker A: Yeah. And unfortunately deferment means that they just push it on to the end of the loan.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: But they don't charge you interest. They don't charge you more interest when you get it deferred.
[00:23:39] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:23:39] Speaker B: And you don't default if you get it deferred.
[00:23:42] Speaker A: That's true. And I deferred one of my loans for quite a while there for some time because. And I was struggling financially.
[00:23:51] Speaker B: But they don't charge you interest on it or more interest than they already did. They stop the interest. So.
[00:23:56] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:23:56] Speaker B: Pell grants. Yeah. Increasing maximum Pell Grant award. I like I said I'd like to see an increase in the price cap for being able to qualify for federal financial aid too. And I don't mean loans. I also like that they want to scale up programs that create career pathways for non college graduates.
[00:24:15] Speaker A: Oh yeah, absolutely.
[00:24:16] Speaker B: I think that's fabulous.
[00:24:17] Speaker A: Absolutely.
[00:24:18] Speaker B: I think that's a brilliant idea because not everybody's cut out for college. Fine, awesome.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: Great.
[00:24:24] Speaker B: Find your passion and absolutely do it.
[00:24:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Not everybody is wired for a four year college and the trades are desperate.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: And not even that not everybody's wired. Not even, not everybody realizes they're not wired for college until they're halfway through a fucking degree. It might take it a while to really sink in because they love the learning but not the degree.
[00:24:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:24:44] Speaker B: So they're a non college graduate too. That's not a bad thing. Let's find ways to actually meet people where they're at for jobs.
[00:24:54] Speaker A: Oh God, yes, please.
[00:24:55] Speaker B: Because you know, and then you'd mentioned we talked about child care above and it's the Harris actually cast the deciding vote on the American Rescue plan which made historic investments in the care economy. As president she's going to fight to lower care costs including adding high quality home care services for seniors and people with disabilities so that hard working families can afford high quality child. Oh, and ensuring that hard working families can afford high quality childcare. And while ensuring that care workers are paid a living wage and treated with dignity and respect. They deserve.
[00:25:30] Speaker A: Yes. Oh my God, that last part absolutely right. Do not lower the price of daycare at the expense expense of the actual daycare workers because or you'll get a.
[00:25:41] Speaker B: Terrible idea or you'll get a daycare person who was a private daycare. She was not public. She was not part of any of the major chains. Private daycare provider who was like mine.
I was taking care of the kids and keeping them occupied apparently more than she was.
[00:25:58] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I was.
[00:26:01] Speaker B: As the artist.
[00:26:02] Speaker A: My mother quite a while had JD Vance's preference for childcare. My grandmother baby was our main babysitter.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: But you had someone. We lived in the middle of nowhere up in Michigan and we didn't have any family. Any. All of my grandparents by this time are dead. Oh, I'm sorry. My paternal grandmother in Detroit is still alive. We are an hour, hour and a half away from Detroit. We're about an hour and a half away from Detroit. Okay. Middle of nowhere. So no grandma can't do it. No neighbors for a mile around.
So my mom actually was very successful at finding a string of abusive people and making friends with them.
[00:26:40] Speaker A: So they could watch your child.
[00:26:42] Speaker B: They could watch your child. She didn't realize how bad it was until I was in, until after I was in college and finally talked to her about some of it. And she was very shocked and appalled.
[00:26:51] Speaker A: Well, at least she was shocked and appalled.
[00:26:53] Speaker B: Well that was what she said. This is the child care you get when you don't invest in child care and you don't respect your child care people and you do actually not vet your child care.
[00:27:02] Speaker A: Well, actually when we were little though, there wasn't the same kind of childcare we've got now necessarily.
[00:27:08] Speaker B: No. Cuz I went to Lucky Duck Preschool when I was very little. That was in Howell, Michigan. That gives you an idea of folks that know Michigan of where I near where I was growing up. But yeah, there was a, there was a daycare there, Lucky Duck Daycare that I went to as preschool that I went to when we first started getting me used to schools in Howell because my mom got the job with a law firm in Howell.
[00:27:29] Speaker A: Okay. Yeah, we had preschools, but we didn't necessarily go to them when we were kids. Not everybody did.
[00:27:35] Speaker B: Right.
[00:27:35] Speaker A: It's strongly encouraged to put children in preschool now and a lot of daycares I think have that attached to them. Oh no, I don't have children.
[00:27:44] Speaker B: Well, The K through 12 schools are, have expanded to being essential. No I take that back. The K through 12 schools are K through 12. I think there's talk at least some places expanding them to Pre K through 12.
[00:27:57] Speaker A: There are some that.
[00:27:58] Speaker B: Not down to baby.
[00:28:00] Speaker A: But no, but yeah. Being actual preschool. Yeah, but yeah. Not everybody actually went to preschool when we were kids because I didn't. Neither did my sister.
[00:28:09] Speaker B: My parents sent me to preschool and I don't remember anything except for the Grand Old Flag song Don't ask why that sticks in my memory of anything.
[00:28:18] Speaker A: And everything that one does either.
[00:28:20] Speaker B: But that is the only thing I remember that in the name of preschool. Now, interestingly, I. I find it sad that I appreciate. Like you said, you appreciate the wordsmithing with. Treated with the dignity and respect they deserve. I appreciate that phrasing. I find it sad that it's kind of necessary.
[00:28:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: We have devolved to the point where saying that as part of a political platform is necessary. That's just sad.
[00:28:47] Speaker A: Okay, we'll give you that.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: Because it should not be a requirement that we have to remind people that you're supposed to treat others with dignity and respect. Yeah, people have always been. But really. And this is not anything against what they. They're saying. This is the fact that they need to say it. That's kind of sad.
[00:29:06] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:29:08] Speaker B: But for the record, I looked up the stuff. So I decided to look this up.
[00:29:13] Speaker A: This. Tell our listeners what this is.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: I understand. I'm getting there. This is the website that Trump flunkeys made.
[00:29:23] Speaker A: Oh, that's what this.
[00:29:24] Speaker B: That took. So because the Harris Wells campaign took so long to figure out their policies, this is the website that the Trump campaign bought and put together. For the record, folks, if you're going to kamala2024polidays.com this is not to be able to promote anything. Not to promote the people I disrespect. Put it that way.
[00:29:48] Speaker A: This is the not. This is not the official.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: This is not the official Kamala Harris site. This is not officially Kamala Harris's policies.
[00:29:56] Speaker A: This is what the site.
[00:29:57] Speaker B: This is what. No, this is what the Trump campaign. They are on record that this is what the Trump campaign put together as her policies and promote it.
This is not there. They haven't. Trump's been open about this. If you want to know exactly what her policies are, go to this website.
[00:30:14] Speaker A: He cannot help but tell on himself, can he?
[00:30:17] Speaker B: I don't think he knows he's telling on himself.
[00:30:20] Speaker A: Fair. So that's fair.
[00:30:23] Speaker B: The first thing you get is a pop up of Kamala's Project 2025. Because of course, she's been talking about the GOP project for Trump's 2025. So this is Trump's version, Trump's group's version, comma, less. Project 2025. Abolish ICE. ICE needs to be reined in, not abolished. Open the border, defund the police, release violent offenders, eliminate middle class tax cuts, ban fracking and fossil fuel usage, confiscate guns from legal gun owners, take away the health care plans of hundreds of millions of Americans and have taxpayer funded transgender surgeries for illegal aliens.
[00:30:59] Speaker A: The last one tells you that it's fake site.
[00:31:01] Speaker B: I know, right? What kills me is youngest's response to the term illegal aliens. He really want. He honestly really wanted to know what they were doing in Roswell, New Mexico. And the kid's a teenager, okay. He's not stupid. But he had never encountered the term alien for immigrant.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: Oh, my God. No, he hasn't.
[00:31:19] Speaker B: He hasn't.
[00:31:20] Speaker A: How has he missed this?
[00:31:22] Speaker B: I don't use that terminology. Neither does Greg. True. Neither does anybody around.
[00:31:29] Speaker A: True.
[00:31:30] Speaker B: So he's much more familiar. He's. He's less familiar with Alf, the cat eating alien, but, you know, so he won't get any of those. But he legitimately did not understand that the term alien was supposed to be the synonym for immigrant.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: Oh, so his smart ass comment during the debate was not intended to be a smart comment because it came across as one.
[00:31:56] Speaker B: It was not a smart ass comment. It was a legitimate. He was confused.
[00:32:01] Speaker A: Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness.
[00:32:04] Speaker B: Because it's like, what are they doing going to New Mexico? What are they doing going to where the alien.
[00:32:10] Speaker A: Why are they going to Area 51? I heard him say that and I was like, oh, my God.
[00:32:15] Speaker B: And no, that. That's what.
[00:32:17] Speaker A: That was genuine.
[00:32:18] Speaker B: That was genuine. He didn't get it. And that's fine. I. That means I did a good job as moment. Right? Oh, my goodness. So, yeah, Kamala Harris's dangerous policies are nothing to laugh about.
[00:32:29] Speaker A: Don't continue reading this.
[00:32:30] Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. This is really funny.
[00:32:32] Speaker A: Please don't.
[00:32:33] Speaker B: All right?
[00:32:33] Speaker A: Because it's terrible and I don't want people confused. It's horrible.
[00:32:37] Speaker B: It's horrible. It is horrendous.
[00:32:39] Speaker A: Make that go away.
[00:32:40] Speaker B: But I had to look to just see. Because this is what got put up during that time period where she had nothing.
[00:32:49] Speaker A: Yeah. Although I will say I am thankful that they're not just back to the affordable child care and long term care. I am happy that they are starting to include seniors more into that conversation, because home health care for seniors and people with mobility disability issues is costly.
[00:33:07] Speaker B: Well, and here's the thing. It has to be more common because there haven't been that many more senior living homes opened up.
[00:33:14] Speaker A: It's a lot more common.
[00:33:15] Speaker B: So there's no place for them to be able to go elsewhere other than their home being the point. Because we're going to build. I mean, example Avon. We're building tons of housing.
[00:33:24] Speaker A: You have built at least one retirement center.
[00:33:27] Speaker B: We built one.
[00:33:28] Speaker A: And that's. I thought there were plans for a second one, but I don't remember.
[00:33:32] Speaker B: The only one that I am intimately aware of is the one across the street from the hospital.
[00:33:37] Speaker A: That is the one that got built.
[00:33:39] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:33:39] Speaker A: And I remember there's one on the.
[00:33:41] Speaker B: Other side of town, on the other side of 30, on the other end of 36, there's that one and then there's one at the other end of 36, there are two.
[00:33:48] Speaker A: And I think there were plans to build an affordable senior one.
[00:33:51] Speaker B: I'm not holding my breath.
[00:33:52] Speaker A: There was plans in 2019.
[00:33:54] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm not holding now, mind you.
[00:33:56] Speaker A: I had this conversation with the person in December of 2019.
So if there were plans to build affordable senior housing, that plan got pushed back by probably a couple years.
[00:34:09] Speaker B: Exactly. And the thing is, it's. But it needs to be more widespread because here's the thing. If the boomers aren't dying, they're retiring and they need someplace to live, because I can pretty much guarantee you a whole lot of Gen X is not taking in their parents.
[00:34:23] Speaker A: Oh, no.
[00:34:24] Speaker B: The fuck no.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: No.
[00:34:26] Speaker B: I love. I, in my own twisted, warped, messed up way, do actually love my mother. I don't like a lot of things she does. Oh, there's no fucking way we are under same roof ever.
[00:34:37] Speaker A: Oh, no, no. That's for disaster.
[00:34:40] Speaker B: Hell to the no. I will put her in a home. She will not want to go. She will go screaming and kicking. I don't care.
[00:34:45] Speaker A: When Mom. When we were talking with the palliative care doctor with mom, the palliative care doctor admitted that even if mom woke up, she would not have the quality of life she had before.
[00:34:56] Speaker B: Right.
[00:34:57] Speaker A: And we would have to reconsider her housing. And my sister and I aren't dumb. We know exactly what that means. Yep. And I straight up told them there's no way we can put mom in nursing home. She won't live. She'll make sure she doesn't live. And because that was the one thing. She worked in a nursing home. For a while.
[00:35:16] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: And one day she had a really horrible day at work. One day she came home, she sat my sister and I down, and she begged us to promise to never put her in nursing home.
[00:35:27] Speaker B: Well, my dad asked for the same thing too. That didn't happen.
[00:35:30] Speaker A: And.
[00:35:30] Speaker B: And it's not because I'm callous and brutal and cold to my dad. It's literally couldn't happen.
[00:35:35] Speaker A: Yeah, but we knew. So, yeah, it made that decision a lot easier. But yeah, nursing homes aren't necessarily places that seniors want to go to, especially older seniors, because people working in nursing homes in the 80s when there were so many problems with nursing homes.
[00:35:54] Speaker B: Now, my mom wasn't working in nursing homes in the 80s. It just.
[00:35:57] Speaker A: My mom was.
[00:35:58] Speaker B: Yeah, I know. And we did see the outside edge, as I did as a child during the 80s, see the outside edge of nursing home, because my dad's younger sister was in a nursing home and they.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: Were in terrible condition. They were living in horrible living conditions.
[00:36:14] Speaker B: And here's the other.
[00:36:15] Speaker A: So this. So the generation that's moving into homes now have that fear in the back of their minds. Really.
[00:36:21] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:36:22] Speaker A: Of, oh, God, is that what they're going to send me to? Despite the fact that quite a bit of advancement has happened in facility living.
[00:36:31] Speaker B: Care, not advancement in the people. And that's the big problem. That's the other factor that I would like to see on this for the home care, the lower costs for seniors. One of the pieces that I think might be missing is that accountability and review certification, whatever, for in residence retirement homes. Because it's literally the more you pay, the better care you get. Just like everything else in America.
[00:36:54] Speaker A: Oh, it is. Absolutely.
[00:36:55] Speaker B: Which means we need to have a OSHA equivalent for old age homes.
[00:37:00] Speaker A: Mm. I know there are regulations now. Yes.
[00:37:03] Speaker B: But they also require people to come check up and make sure you're following them. True. And enough of a response that if you don't follow them and you get caught legitimately enough, you get your license revoked and you can't key stay in business.
[00:37:19] Speaker A: I would really like to see for seniors is to have affordable good retirement facilities because that would require government subsidy to provide retirement villages that are Normally anywhere from 2,500 to like 5,000amonth and create ones that are affordable for seniors who are only on Social Security.
[00:37:48] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:49] Speaker A: Because our seniors have worked for so long to contribute to this country to thank the ones who worked the lower paid jobs by putting them in terrible public housing. That's disgusting. True. I would like to see the opportunity to Create retirement communities for lower income seniors so that they don't have to live in broken down, outdated, squalor apartments.
[00:38:17] Speaker B: That they can't afford monthly rent because the landlord's going to jack it up anyways.
[00:38:22] Speaker A: Well, not if they're on section 8. If they're on. If they're in HUD housing, then they have to do that with rent.
[00:38:27] Speaker B: No, instead you have the asshole landlords that are put in place by the people that are in Texas. I know this because mutual friend went through that. Don't know if you remember the new.
[00:38:36] Speaker A: Leasing company from my mom's old place, I think. Yeah.
[00:38:39] Speaker B: Is out of Texas and it's nothing. Okay, There's a lot against Texas, but this is nothing against Texas and real real estate. It's literally just a matter of we're in Indiana. Why can't Indiana properties be managed and run by, I don't know, Indiana residents?
[00:38:53] Speaker A: Would be nice.
[00:38:54] Speaker B: Wouldn't that be awfully nice?
[00:38:55] Speaker A: It used to be that.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: That would be amazingly interesting and convenient to have that happen to, I don't know, actually generate wealth in the state. What?
[00:39:05] Speaker A: Tell me about it. Yeah.
[00:39:06] Speaker B: Makes me kind of want to.
[00:39:07] Speaker A: I don't like. My mother worked so hard her entire working life with health issues that qualified her for disability in the 1970s. My mother is the only person I know, no, one of two people that I know who qualified for disability on the first try.
[00:39:28] Speaker B: That never happens.
[00:39:30] Speaker A: That's so rare. And when the guy was helping her fill out the application for disability and she's rattling off all of her health issues, he'd type for a few minutes and he would stop and he would look at her and then he would go back to typing and then he would stop and he would look at. He did this like twice. And then the third time he said, ma'am, I have a question. And she said, what? He goes, why haven't you applied for disability before and how are you managing to work with all of this? And she stood one foot in front of the other.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: It's the only thing you can do.
[00:40:01] Speaker A: One day at a time. It's the only thing I can do.
[00:40:03] Speaker B: Only thing you can do.
[00:40:04] Speaker A: And so who else? Where I was going with it. Give me a second.
[00:40:08] Speaker B: Taking care of our seniors who've worked so long and so hard.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: Thank you. Your mom worked so long and so hard of her life and she ended her life in poverty.
And she ended up in an apartment complex that is old, it is run down. Some of her appliances did not work properly. They had infestation Problems I visited. I know.
[00:40:30] Speaker B: I mean it did not look comfortable.
[00:40:33] Speaker A: Plumbing was outdated. It really wasn't designed to be a safe senior home because there was no way to contact emergency services.
[00:40:42] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:40:43] Speaker A: So you know, why do we punish the people who work the hardest by making them end their years in school? Waller.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: Because they're not fetuses.
[00:40:52] Speaker A: You're not wrong. I knew one of us would say.
[00:40:55] Speaker B: By the way, this, this folks, this is called sarcasm.
[00:41:01] Speaker A: In real time.
[00:41:02] Speaker B: In real time. We promised you sarcasm. There you go. Because they're not fetuses, they're still alive. Serious. Never mind. Not going to go there. Because the mind that the exactly what Christianity is. This is not the time. Got it.
[00:41:14] Speaker A: Good.
[00:41:15] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:41:17] Speaker A: Nope, I feel that. I 100% feel that.
[00:41:21] Speaker B: That's honestly, that's the one challenge doing this with you is delimiting that stream of consciousness.
[00:41:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:28] Speaker B: Because that's where most of our conversations usually go, folks. You're getting a corner of our conversation actually paying attention to research and single topic. The. The level of digression. You'll have to. It's behind the wall paywall. I promise it doesn't cost much to, you know, buy in. And you can hear exactly what stream of conscious. And even then it was muted.
[00:41:52] Speaker A: Yeah, the one after the.
Yeah, the one after the declaration of Independence.
[00:41:57] Speaker B: There we go. That's more in keeping.
[00:42:00] Speaker A: Was like an hour and 20 minutes, 25 minutes long. Something like that of you and I on a true genuine late night.
[00:42:08] Speaker B: Rant.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: Rant. And I was like as I'm editing this, I'm going, wow. Like the last almost half hour and a half of this is gonna have to become an bonus episode. There's no way I'm low. There's no way I'm sending this out publicly.
[00:42:24] Speaker B: Oh my God.
[00:42:26] Speaker A: I'll put that one behind a paywall.
[00:42:28] Speaker B: Because I. I am.
[00:42:30] Speaker A: Because it's a little too honest.
[00:42:32] Speaker B: Because I'm ever so terribly kind to demure and gentle.
Okay. I said it was a straight face and then I had to crack up. Okay. I'm sorry. Not. It's cuz you looked at me probably if I had, if I had been looking anywhere else, I probably could have kept a straight face for at least 30 more seconds.
[00:42:50] Speaker A: You unfortunately knew where you were going with this. The second the first sound came out of your mouth.
Cuz you never tone of voice. I was like, oh, go.
[00:43:00] Speaker B: You never do that.
[00:43:01] Speaker A: Have we covered everything for this episode?
[00:43:03] Speaker B: I think we have because we didn't have. We didn't have nearly as much with this because these aren't nearly as expensive, expansive and fleshed out as all of her conversation about the economy and about how to help her. What is her term again? It's a great term and I can't remember it. Opportunity economy. How this opportunity economy was going to work. Because that is a key phrase for them, which is great because it needs to be. Because the economy, as they've heard repeatedly from everybody, is a huge concern right now.
[00:43:36] Speaker A: Yes, it is.
[00:43:37] Speaker B: And the very real fact is, here's the other thing that I noticed they didn't brag on and I kind of wish they had. Kamala Harris is one of the people that's pushing Congress, really pushing Congress to launch the investigations into the price gouging activities that are happening. Apparently they've suggested. They're really investigating Kroger.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:43:58] Speaker B: As one of the major companies for the grocery stores. Not just. So. Not just the fuel. Granted, they're not looking at price gouging with fuel, which we already know they do that in Indiana, so that's a given.
[00:44:09] Speaker A: Right.
[00:44:10] Speaker B: But they're not looking at fuel price gouging at the moment. They're looking at grocery price gouging. They're looking at necessities price gouging because some idiots were stupid enough to make a very public statement. Procter and Gamble. I'm looking at you. Or was it Johnson and Johnson? Oh, same company looking at you for the CEO who very publicly said, yeah, we're making so much more money, we can just keep it at this level because they're willing to pay it.
[00:44:34] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. There was at least one millionaire, I think, out there that did the same thing. I believe that was at the epiped. Yeah.
[00:44:41] Speaker B: So, yeah, so, yeah, they are. She is one of the main forces, as I've read outside sources. She is one of the main forces pushing Congress to try and look. Get the oversight to look into some of this. She is pushing hud, Housing and Urban Development to look into this. And she's been very strong, I don't want to say aggressive, because I don't think it's necessarily to that extent, but very strong about making sure that since there are no more supply chain issues, since there are no more supply period issues, let alone supply chain, that we really need to revisit the costs that various companies are charging for basic necessities.
[00:45:25] Speaker A: Because, wow, did things get expensive after the pandemic?
[00:45:29] Speaker B: Yep. And they stayed well and they had to. The supply chain was insane. The demand didn't go anywhere and the supply was very limited.
[00:45:38] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:45:38] Speaker B: It was so simple law. Supply and demand took place there. It was taking more to get the materials to people, period. Because of problems with the supply chain. So it was legitimate. It was legitimate. Then it was probably legitimate for another couple years after that to get everything settled back out. I give them time to settle it all back out. And then you would have expected since there wasn't any major inflation in that time period, there was minor inflation, but there was no major inflation in that time period. You would have expected some substantial decrease in cost. And that didn't happen.
[00:46:17] Speaker A: Yeah. And that's why they're.
[00:46:18] Speaker B: And that's why people can't afford the groceries anymore. It's as simple. Okay. We also have the problem that eggs are an issue at the moment because of E. Coli or. No, salmonella. Salmonella.
[00:46:29] Speaker A: We're having problems largely with poultry.
[00:46:32] Speaker B: Oh right.
[00:46:32] Speaker A: It was avian because the avian food just ran through.
[00:46:36] Speaker B: Right. The eggs are an issue because of avian flu. The boar's head. Oh, did you hear what happened with that?
[00:46:42] Speaker A: No.
[00:46:42] Speaker B: Okay, so boar's head had a major recall of lunch meat because it had lead in it.
[00:46:48] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:46:49] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:49] Speaker A: Lead.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Uh huh. How? It had heavy metal something in it.
[00:46:53] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:46:53] Speaker B: So I have read too many things about too many things and things that might. Oh right. The Tampa. It's the tampon makers that are in trouble now because of the lead. Yes, that was it.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:47:03] Speaker B: That's what I read about.
Boar's head was E. Coli. So you know what they did? They closed the plant permanently. 150,000 workers out of a job. Not entirely sure that that was the 100%. Why? I doubt it. But at the same time the plant where the E. Coli bacteria was in the boars that all the food came, all the meat came from that plant. That plant is now permanently closed and those people are out of a gem.
[00:47:26] Speaker A: Wow.
[00:47:27] Speaker B: So messed up timing. I mean, but at the same time it's just really bad timing. Or is this. They knew the plant was closing and let's just stop dealing with any safety standards for keeping people healthy.
As a revenge. Well, yeah, as a revenge concept.
But it could. You could very well be because if the plant was already intent. If the word got out the the plant was intending to close and the disaffected factory workers have nowhere else to go. A revenge concept for then E. Coli showing up from this plant and then Is plausible. Is plausible. Do I think they closed the plant to put the people out of work? No.
[00:48:06] Speaker A: No.
[00:48:07] Speaker B: But I do find it just really weird Timing on all of it.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: It is. It is.
[00:48:11] Speaker B: And as Bri knows, I don't do coincidence.
[00:48:15] Speaker A: We try very hard not to do conspiracy theory, but yeah, when.
[00:48:18] Speaker B: When I do conspiracy theory, I don't do conspiracy. Conspiracy theory. But I don't do coincidence either.
[00:48:24] Speaker A: No.
[00:48:24] Speaker B: I open my mind to possibilities and discard as reality suits.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: Well, I follow the 1, 2, 3 rule. Yep. Once is a coincidence, once is an.
[00:48:34] Speaker B: Accident, twice as coincidence.
[00:48:36] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, that's right. Once is an accident, twice as coincidence.
[00:48:40] Speaker B: Three times. It's a pattern.
[00:48:41] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: Yep. I use it. I use the three times rule to explain to my kids when they're setting up an argument for research. I. I have used that adage, I don't know how many times throughout my teaching, throughout with my kids, throughout all of it. It's like, yeah, the second you've established pattern, guess what you screwed.
[00:48:59] Speaker A: Exactly. So that's all we have today, right?
[00:49:02] Speaker B: I think so.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Because we're going to be kind and we're going to cut up the rest of this. Yes. Three episodes.
[00:49:09] Speaker B: Yeah. There's only one.
[00:49:10] Speaker A: Not as painful.
[00:49:11] Speaker B: There is only one more episode of this where we'll cover the last four points of her. What's been published of the Harris Walls policy platform.
[00:49:19] Speaker A: Exactly. And.
[00:49:20] Speaker B: And then we'll have tons of bonuses because we've gone on a few tangents in the middle of things.
[00:49:24] Speaker A: So, you know, and we decided to switch things up a little bit on this one because this is not the incredibly painfully long middle movie like we did in the Republican co Party platform.
[00:49:34] Speaker B: Oh, dear.
[00:49:34] Speaker A: Quite unintentionally.
[00:49:36] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So apologize. That's more like the in flight movie. Sorry.
[00:49:41] Speaker A: We do apologize after the fact for that one. It actually did not happen intentionally. We just got to talk and didn't realize how long we've been recording. What?
[00:49:50] Speaker B: We never do that.
[00:49:51] Speaker A: So that's what we have for today. Hope you enjoyed the episode. We would love to hear what you think. So drop us a line at spilltheteepodcast224mail.com you can follow us at. Spill the Tea feet. Spill the Tea fee.
[00:50:05] Speaker B: No, that's not us.
[00:50:07] Speaker A: You can follow us @spilltheteepodcast on Facebook. Spill the teapodcast 224 on Tumblr and Pinterest and pillthetpodcast 224 on Instagram. Subscribe to us wherever you listen to your podcasts. And remember to leave those five star reviews. If you listen in on Spotify, email us and let us know because we can't get access to that information. If you want to enjoy outtakes, early access, and the opportunity to recommend show ideas, sign up for a monthly membership at either patreon.com spillthetpodcast224 or buymeacoffee.com spilltheteepodcast we'll see you all next time for the final episode of the hopefully politics.
[00:50:57] Speaker B: Stuff for this year.
[00:50:59] Speaker A: Politics platform stuff.
[00:51:00] Speaker B: Then we can turn to current news and all the BS that's going on with that.
[00:51:03] Speaker A: No, actually, we kind of are right now. So we'll see y'all next time.
[00:51:08] Speaker B: Bye.
